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Thread: Will the Ladies figure skating be a repeat of 2006? Is Yu-Na really unbeatable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryoko View Post
    ...but you said you think kim was lucky because other skaters struggled all year along and didn't skate to full potential? I post reply to what you wrote, not what you think.
    and whether you are sick of hearing about the injury or not, it was what it was.
    Well. You seem to think that the others were lucky because Kim was injured before, therefore not skating to her full potential. So how is that different from my thinking that she is lucky that the others have struggled and thus not skating to their full potentials? :sheesh: Anyways, I've already said that having a bit of luck doesn't take away from one's accomplishments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    I said for the previous year not just one event. I think Kim was kind of lucky that she can make mistakes at some of the GP events and still win because her competition haven't been that strong. Also I'm really tired of the argument that just because Yuna was injured, she didn't win those two worlds before. Because if you check, she wasn't getting those high PCS she is getting now in previous years. Also, I do think luck plays a role in every event and for every skater but it doesn't take away from what the athlete has accomplished. Every athlete works hard to achieve their goal but you also need a bit of luck sometimes especially in skating because ice is slippery.
    Is kind of lucky code for a better skater? Yuna can afford to make mistakes and beat everyone else because the quality of her skating is so high. At worlds she blew the competition away but still had a couple baubles....that shows how good she is, not that she's "lucky". Her two bronze world medals won with programs with several mistakes while having a back injury and going through physical changes just proves how great her skating is more. Luck doesn't have anything to do with it, and Yuna can probably win gold here even if she makes a few mistakes, which probably is not true of the other skaters.

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    YuNa is clearly unbeatable. Unless she falls/underrotates/pops jumps/misses spirals or spins and gets beaten.

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    I'll echo what silverlake said. Yu-Na is such a strong skater that she can afford to make a mistake or two and still win over clean skaters. A Yu-Na with one or two mistakes won't win over a Mao/Joannie/Miki if they perform a SOHL in both programs, but we can calculate the odds of that happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Is kind of lucky code for a better skater? Yuna can afford to make mistakes and beat everyone else because the quality of her skating is so high. At worlds she blew the competition away but still had a couple baubles....that shows how good she is, not that she's "lucky". Her two bronze world medals won with programs with several mistakes while having a back injury and going through physical changes just proves how great her skating is more. Luck doesn't have anything to do with it, and Yuna can probably win gold here even if she makes a few mistakes, which probably is not true of the other skaters.
    I dunno if it's true that she can afford to make mistakes and still win if the others are good. Because that scenario has never really happened before, since the others have been making more mistakes than she did at previous competitions. I'll believe it when that scenario actually happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    Also I'm really tired of the argument that just because Yuna was injured, she didn't win those two worlds before.
    It doesn't matter if you are tire of it. She was badly injured during those seasons and lived with painkiller. She couldn't even walk sometimes and was to retire for the injury.

    I also second what silverlake22 said - Yuna can afford to make mistakes and beat everyone else because the quality of her skating is so high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by french quarter View Post
    It doesn't matter if you are tire of it. She was badly injured during those seasons and lived with painkiller. She couldn't even walk sometimes and was to retire for the injury.

    I also second what silverlake22 said - Yuna can afford to make mistakes and beat everyone else because the quality of her skating is so high.
    But how can you be sure she would have won if she wasn't injured? I mean you guys make the argument that she underperformed because of it right? That's a legitimate point. But why can't the same be applied to other skaters who have been underperforming recently due to other reasons. How can you really make that prediction when there has never been a competition where the skaters all performed really well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    I dunno if it's true that she can afford to make mistakes and still win if the others are good. Because that scenario has never really happened before, since the others have been making more mistakes than she did at previous competitions. I'll believe it when that scenario actually happens.
    I mean it's hard to say because it hasn't really happened before, but Yuna manages to get high scores and in most competitions she has a couple blips in the LP and her scores are still so high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    I mean it's hard to say because it hasn't really happened before, but Yuna manages to get high scores and in most competitions she has a couple blips in the LP and her scores are still so high.
    Your prediction could be right, but I just want to see that actually happen for once where everyone skates close to clean and she comes up on top. So it's a bit disappointing for me that her rivals have been underperforming.

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    Everyone will be pushing really hard here, it's the Olympics! Hopefully we'll see everyone at her best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    I mean it's hard to say because it hasn't really happened before, but Yuna manages to get high scores and in most competitions she has a couple blips in the LP and her scores are still so high.
    Theoretically nobody is unbeatable but the way Yu na is being scored, she would be. Even when she makes mistakes she still gets high marks. I would like to see a more correct judging. It will make the competition more exciting. When you already know that a certain skater is going to win, no matter what, and we are only waiting to find out who will get the silver and the bronze, it's not so interesting to watch. If she really skates great and others have poor skates, it's a non-issue, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Theoretically nobody is unbeatable but the way Yu na is being scored, she would be. Even when she makes mistakes she still gets high marks. I would like to see a more correct judging. It will make the competition more exciting. When you already know that a certain skater is going to win, no matter what, and we are only waiting to find out who will get the silver and the bronze, it's not so interesting to watch. If she really skates great and others have poor skates, it's a non-issue, of course.
    I wouldn't say we already know who is going to win no matter what. If Yuna did a repeat of SA here, Miki, Mao, Joannie and maybe even someone else could potentially win and even make a mistake or two to do it. Remember, it's a point-based system, if a skater doesn't do her jumps, she won't get points. PCS is only part of the score. That is what makes figure skating so unpredictable. Anything could happen on Tuesday and Thursday, the results are wide open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    But how can you be sure she would have won if she wasn't injured? I mean you guys make the argument that she underperformed because of it right? That's a legitimate point. But why can't the same be applied to other skaters who have been underperforming recently due to other reasons. How can you really make that prediction when there has never been a competition where the skaters all performed really well.
    Because I know very well that her injury and pain were very serious, especially around those worlds, and she made the podium though. She won in both Grand Prix Finals in those two seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by french quarter View Post
    Because I know very well that her injury and pain were very serious, especially around those worlds, and she made the podium though. She won in both Grand Prix Finals in those two seasons.
    Yup, Yuna is amazing. I have no doubt she'll medal here it just depends on what color.

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    Yu-Na has unbelievably been boisted to the top in some events.... she has gone from having strong programs with ordinary PCS scores (ordinary for her... high 50s), to skating another competition and having her PCS scores somehow boosted 10 points even though it's the same program and no real reason to have it happen (see Worlds).

    Let's look at Skate America... Yu-Na only gets off 3 clean triples, underrotates her combo and gets a total of 111.70. Rachael Flatt skates a clean 7 triple program, including a 3F+3T combination and only comes in ahead of Yu-Na by under 5 points with 116.11. Sure, Rachael doesn't have the artistic skills of Yu-Na, not even close.... but Yu-Na shouldn't be allowed to pop and underrotate all but 3 of her triple jumps and put up a score that most skaters can't beat clean. Everyone says Mao's PCS were affected by her mistakes... what about Yu-Na's PCS scores here? This program was FAR from perfect... but it still won Gold at SA.

    IMHO, Skate America proves that Yu-Na definitely will need her 3Lz+3T in the SP to really secure Gold... if she has a great short, she has quite a bit of room for falls and errors in the LP. So it will either all come down to the SP...
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    The judges will wind up giving "strange" PCS scores like they did at the Mens competition (Plushenko and Lysacek with the same PCS? hardly.), but if a strong program winds up meaning good PCS scores again, that OGM has way more possible takers than most people are probably thinking (my money would be on either Joannie or Miki if they skate clean... possibly even Rachael though I don't want that to happen).

    As for Mao, I don't know WHAT they were thinking with her LP music. Mao's Bells of Moscow is really just the first few measures of Rachmoninov's absurdly famous Prelude in C Sharp Minor, Op. 3 No. 2 (which I'm quite mad she didn't use the whole thing... it was my audition piece for a conservatory when I was young and it worked for me then, it can work for her now lol :P ). If she wanted to use this song, she should have used the WHOLE piece, since it has beautiful changes in pace and mood that would fit other sections of her program much better than the same repetitive bars. If anyone wants to hear the whole piece of music, here is a link to Rachmaninov actually playing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ytY...eature=related . Why they didn't decide to use more than the first few measures, I'll never know... all the emotion is in the secold half of the piece.

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