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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsuhs View Post
    And do we know why something like that is happening?
    Because she has good basic skating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Kozuka was clean in the LP. 2foot landing on the quad is only -2GOE.
    You must have missed the bad fall on his triple axel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    You must have missed the bad fall on his triple axel...
    Still just as good as Chan though, if not better. I guess everyone can't be "The Chosen One" sigh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Still just as good as Chan though, if not better. I guess everyone can't be "The Chosen One" sigh...
    Kozuka is one of my favourites and his long program is my favourite of the year. I was at the Men's practice last Monday and Taka and Patrick were in the same group. Kozuka is very solid (he didn't miss one jump) and I so appreciate his skating but he lacks the performance levels and transitions that Patrick has. His jumps aren't as big and he isn't as fast.

    Patrick is even more exceptional on the blade in person - he is also explosive and skates bigger than Kozuka. I dragged two boys with me to the practice and they were most impressed with Patrick (they know very little about skating). When Patrick's axel is on it is one of the best with the height he now gets and that great landing edge he has. He also landed a wicked triple axel - triple toe combo. Now, if he could only start landing the darn thing in compeition!

    I think Patrick was overmarked but I don't think Kozuka deserved to be ahead of him, JMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Still just as good as Chan though, if not better. I guess everyone can't be "The Chosen One" sigh...
    Definitely better! It's the difference of being Japanese #3 as opposed to Canadian #1 that did Kozuka in. Political Cushion Scores have not been kind to Takahiko Kozuka as a result of this.

    To address the original question of this thread, I think Akiko Suzuki is the most likely candidate being that she too is regarded as Japanese #3 for the ladies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Definitely better! It's the difference of being Japanese #3 as opposed to Canadian #1 that did Kozuka in. Political Cushion Scores have not been kind to Takahiko Kozuka as a result of this.
    It must be so hard being Canada's number 1 with such a strong field!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymfan15 View Post
    I would think that Mirai is too much of a non-podium threat to be a sacrificial lamb, no? But maybe that's the whole thing; she COULD be an outside threat if she skated completely clean, but she won't be because of her downgrades.
    Absolutely. When I think of "sacrificial lamb," I think of medal contenders - with Weir (at least brozne) and Belbin/Agosto were. While Nagasu, if she skates cleanly, has a good chance of being ranked high after the SP, her medal potential plummets after that. And as far as non-medal "sacrificial lambs" go, it'll be interesting to see how the judges score Flatt and Nagasu. If both of them skate cleanly, it'll be a clear message on what type of skater international judges are looking for.

    For medal contenders: Suzuki could get the bronze, especially if skaters like Rochette and Asada falter. But I see her getting held out of that spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UM84 View Post
    Johnny was it for the men, Belbin and Agosto seem to be it in Ice Dancing.
    I don´t see Weir as a sacrificial lamb at all. He got exactly what he deserved, in my opinion. His couple mistakes and the 6,0 choreography are not the fault of the judges....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    SEason's best, and he only had one other competition - Skate Canada. He skated better at the Olympics. Ergo, a season's best is fair.
    PERSONAL BEST. Check ISU. His personal best came from the 2010 Olympics.
    Ergo, crazy canadian politik.

    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00007980.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    PERSONAL BEST. Check ISU. His personal best came from the 2010 Olympics.
    Ergo, crazy canadian politik.

    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00007980.htm
    Lambiel's personal best also came at these Olympics with a less than stellar skate (and with negative GOE on 5 of his jumping passes). Is that crazy Swiss politiks then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    Lambiel's personal best also came at these Olympics with a less than stellar skate (and with negative GOE on 5 of his jumping passes). Is that crazy Swiss politiks then?
    The point was to point out to ImaginaryPogue, very appropriate name, btw, that it was Chan's personal best, not season best or 2nd skate after skate canada or whatever.
    So you justified one wrong with another? So typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oranges View Post
    Absolutely. When I think of "sacrificial lamb," I think of medal contenders - with Weir (at least brozne) and Belbin/Agosto were. While Nagasu, if she skates cleanly, has a good chance of being ranked high after the SP, her medal potential plummets after that. And as far as non-medal "sacrificial lambs" go, it'll be interesting to see how the judges score Flatt and Nagasu. If both of them skate cleanly, it'll be a clear message on what type of skater international judges are looking for.
    I still think Mirai has a very good shot at a top 10 finish here, but likely in the lower half of the top 10. IMO she's better than most of the European ladies at this event, we'll see if the judges agree. I wouldn't call Flatt or Nagasu medal contenders here, maybe an outside shot at bronze, but I think the pressure is on Kim, Asada, Ando, Rochette and maybe Kostner where she's European champ to be the medal contenders.

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    i have to agree with chan being overscored ; but it wasn't any more than a couple of points; The truth is nobody was shafted so far; If any skater from Abbott to Lambiel went which none of them did; they could have medal;( for johnny wrong edges equals not a clean skate ); B/A lost the bronze do to there low technical score; D/W was able to score about 53; BA only scored 48; those five points would have given them the bronze

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    I've given this some more thought an I still believe that Kostner is the logical choice as a sacrificial lamb. She looks a little bit like a lamb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    The point was to point out to ImaginaryPogue, very appropriate name, btw, that it was Chan's personal best, not season best or 2nd skate after skate canada or whatever.
    So you justified one wrong with another? So typical.
    Well if that was your only point, you didn't need to bring in the "Canadian politiks" into the discussion. Other skaters were generously marked as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    I still think Mirai has a very good shot at a top 10 finish here, but likely in the lower half of the top 10. IMO she's better than most of the European ladies at this event, we'll see if the judges agree. I wouldn't call Flatt or Nagasu medal contenders here, maybe an outside shot at bronze, but I think the pressure is on Kim, Asada, Ando, Rochette and maybe Kostner where she's European champ to be the medal contenders.
    I think Mirai will foresure crack the top 10 - I think probably around 6th or 7th. I watched her practice on Monday and she looked very good and solid. She was flutzing a bit and still needs to look up and project more when she skates but she was very enjoyable! I hope she skates very well - as I do for all the ladies! I think it will be a great competition!
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