Miki's 3/3 was downgraded.
Miki's 3/3 was downgraded.
Joannie has scored around 70 before internationally. I think its not right to call the host nation nasty. She deserved that placement and iam so proud of her.Originally Posted by FlattFan
Miki's 3z+3lo WAS downgraded, and should have been, because the loop was clearly UR. It was a huge mistake for miki to have even attempted it, as she has NEVER gotten credit for it every time she's tried it. If she had landed a clean 3z+2lo, she would have received at least 7.3 points, maybe even more with +GOE. Because of the downgrade, she received only 6.3 points. Miki also lost .6 on her flip.
There were other downgrades:
Sebestyen's 3f
Meier's 2a
Korpi's 3z
Ziegler's 3z and 1a
Postic's 3lo
McCorkell's 3z
I'm so pleased that despite fighting through a painful tragedy, a score three points higher than what you felt she earned was enough to remove all your good will for Joannie, who outside of skating well, had nothing to do with the scores. Seriously. BRAVO.
Flattfan, this statement is so profoundly misguided that it actually causes pain. And here's the thing - I probably would've pegged her around 69-70. But "nasty host country?" "unacceptable?" Describe Scott as a "nasty bastard?" Pathetic.
There has been some score inflation for the Canadian skaters (certainly Chan and Dube/Davison were generously scored for their subpar performances), but Rochette's score wasn't overinflated compared to past performances (she got 70 at SC), and to the other skaters. ALL the top ladies' scores are generous. I love Rachael, but she hasn't gotten a score over 60 internationally this season, and neither has Leonova or Suzuki. Makarova's top score in the JGP was 55.
Joannie skated well in the SP and her scores were reasonable when seen in context with the other ladies. What remains to be seen is the FS scoring. If she skates her best and makes no mistakes, she could get a score over 130, and that could be fair in context with Asada and Kim's score. OTOH, she could potentially have mistakes and still score that high, out of sympathy for her loss and her courage in continuing to compete. That could be considered unfair.
There were plenty of times Miki's 3Lz+3Lo was ratified. It just hasn't happened this season yet. She only attempted it two times in competition, though.
Joannie skated beautifully - by far the best I've seen her do that program - and for God's sake the girl deserves nothing if not goodwill!!! It was an amazing performance. And Canada "nasty"? What??
Yeah, and the last time she scored 70, people were scratching their heads. She deserved 3rd after the SP, but no way she should be in the 71+ range. Mao, Yuna, Miki, if all of them did 3lutz-2toe, 3flip, 2A SP, would never even dream of breaking 70.
I feel bad for her, but I feel bad for skaters placed below Joannie in a huge deficit, too. Mirai has her own family problem. Rachael could be having all kind of problem leading to this. What makes Joannie deserving more than the other girls? It's insensitive, but her score is just outrageous. But this is coming from the same person who thinks Chan's score was acceptable and "wasn't his personal best"
I didn't think Joannie's score was outrageous, I just think based on what she got, some of the other ladies' scores should have been higher.
In defense of Rachael, she didn't break 60 in her SP this season because she only did a 3-2 at worlds and CoC and fell on a rotated 3-3 at SA - has she done a clean 3-3 at those competitions her score would have been over 60.
Leonova got 61+ for her SP at the GPF where she stepped out of her combination, so I thought her score was fair, especially because she was really expressive in that program.
Makarova was on the JGP circuit and the PCS at junior competitions are always lower so getting a 55 at a junior competition is comparable to getting a 59 at a senior competition.
Akiko hasn't broken 60 for her SP this season because her PCS marks are always so low. They were higher last night (deservedly so) and that bumped her into the 60s.
Mirai got 62 at CoC and I thought she was better last night than in China, I would have had her more at 65-66 but I think her PCS suffered a little bit from skating so early.
Gedevanishvilli again the score could have been a bit higher but she skated early too. Not my favorite skater but her jumps are huge.
Overall I didn't have too many issues with the scoring. I do think that, had Mao's 3a been UR, the scores for Yuna and Joannie would have been lower though. When Mao was clean, they gave her a deserved score of 73, so then when Yuna was also clean, they had no choice but to give her 78, and then when Joannie was clean, they wanted to separate her from the likes of Rachael, Mirai, and all the Euro ladies in the low-mid 60s so they gave her 71. If Miki had done a clean 3-3 she likely would have been around 68. I think they didn't expect the top three ladies to all go clean and that's why the scores were so high, because they were all clean.
Of course Yuna would have broken that had it been a 3 lutz-2toe, alot of the skater's got high marks. I think there is a much higher quality in the skating of Joannie and the skater's below. Flatt, does not have the smoothness or grace of alot of the other top ladies.
Ando was downgraded on the 3-3.
The scores have been getting higher and higher all season long. Was Yuna's program 2 points better than her previous world record? The scores are just getting larger.
What exactly was Rachael's problem heading into this? Mirai and Rachael are no where near the level that Joannie is at. Miki had jumps downgraded. Joannie is more deserving because she skated an amazing program - solid landings, speed, presentation, command of the ice, high levels, and positive goes. She was ranked second in the World last year and has been a medal threat for the past two seasons. She has scored 70 points internationally before and many have said this is the best she has ever skated a short program. So a little over 1 point better than her previous personal best is completely reasonable.
You are right you are insensitive. To say that Canada is a "nasty host nation" and that all your good will for Joannie is now gone because of her score makes absolutely no sense. I am glad the rest of the skating fans and the entire country of Canada is behind her for the courage, bravery, and competitive spirit she is displaying.
And Joannie was smooth sailing? Did anyone not notice her bobble right before her combo?
Has anyone got 70+ in the SP with Joannie's layout? Irina SP in 2006 was at 66 and her spins, speed, jumps are superior. She was a top tier skater at the time. None of the top tier girls would get that kind of score. This is blatant hold up.
Who knows what Rachael's problems are, that's the point. But who to say one has worse than the other until you walk in their shoes? Joannie deserved her 3rd place above Rachael, true. But 71+? Even at Skate Canada, her SP score was attributed to home crowd. So a point better than an inflated score still make it an inflated score, and does not make it reasonable.
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