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Who misses figures? (any older skaters?)

treesprite

Final Flight
Joined
Feb 16, 2010
(To note first: basically only middle-aged and older skaters would really know what I'm talking about enough to understand where I'm coming from.... I'm not sure how many people in that age group are here.)

Call me crazy if you wish, but I have always been disappointed that figures were eliminated from requirements. Figures are a true demonstration of precision skating, and gave the perfectionists among skaters an outlet for demonstrating their skills. I can understand eliminating it from competition, but I wish it hadn't been eliminated from the sport entirely. Rinks don't have patch sessions anymore, so there is very little in the way of opportunity to practice figures without being constantly interrupted or in other people's ways (each skater got assigned a personal patch of ice to practice without interruptions).

People try to say that MITF is just as good because it incorporates figures, but people can get away with being much less precise and there is nowhere near the level of challenge involved. Testing judges got on the ice to check for "flats" on figures circles, not just watch from a seat - it was scary, but a fantastic skills challenge that MITF doesn't present.

So can any older skaters relate to what I'm saying? Or are there any younger skaters who would have any interest in figures at all, in spite of figures being eliminated from requirements?
 

bibi24

Final Flight
Joined
Dec 31, 2009
OH man I feel 'old' now :p

Figures were fun.... drawing the circles with the back of the blade, then enjoying the 20 or so minutes of quiet enjoyable patch sessions :p

In Canada after figures were eliminated, we did skillz? (which felt like footwork)? And everybody around Juvenile was pretty much able to pass level 1 right away.

Figures just had so much more to offer.
 

treesprite

Final Flight
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Feb 16, 2010
OH man I feel 'old' now :p

Figures were fun.... drawing the circles with the back of the blade, then enjoying the 20 or so minutes of quiet enjoyable patch sessions :p

In Canada after figures were eliminated, we did skillz? (which felt like footwork)? And everybody around Juvenile was pretty much able to pass level 1 right away.

Figures just had so much more to offer.

I take it you didn't have a scribe? A scribe lets you adjust to make the circle ideal for your own body height, circles which are perfectly round at every point. I didn't have one, but there was always someone with one I could borrow during patch.
 

CzarinaAnya

Medalist
Joined
Aug 29, 2003
I miss the edges and flow it would translate into regular programs.
I mean, look at Kurt Browning with his footwork. He might not have gotten that snazzy without having to do figures. Just a thought.
 

treesprite

Final Flight
Joined
Feb 16, 2010
My old coach was really obsessed with precision and refined basic skills, and I'm really grateful for it because it led me to embrace skating as a true art form. Figures teaches a person to move like fluid over the ice, taking every single body position and motion just as seriously as jumps and spins. Figures separated skaters who were serious about skating from skaters who were serious about being skaters.
 

CdnSkateWatcher

On the Ice
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Jan 21, 2010
You don't have to be old to a) know what figures are b) appreciate them c) wish they were still a focus. You just need to have a coach who still believes in the value of teaching figures, and who posseses a scribe and ice time to use it. There are some out there who are still teaching figures, and whose skaters are benefitting from it.

Canadian skills are not the same as figures - they are just, like noted above, patterns of various footwork that used to be done to music, but now aren't. IIRC, people with figures were grandfathered under the new skills requirements - yes? However, "snakes and ladders" are really the barrier for people who have been just treating skills as footwork! Which is why so many get stuck on Junior Silver Skills ... whereas the skaters with the coach with the scribe in their backpocket are happy little campers on test day :)
 

CdnSkateWatcher

On the Ice
Joined
Jan 21, 2010
I miss the edges and flow it would translate into regular programs.
I mean, look at Kurt Browning with his footwork. He might not have gotten that snazzy without having to do figures. Just a thought.

I am firmly convinced, and would quite like to know if it is true, that Patrick Chan's original coach, Ozzy Colborne (sp?) taught him figures. Given his incredible age at the time he was coaching Patrick, and given the eras he coached in, he would have been more than aware of figures, and would have certainly taught them! If we could find that out,and if it is true that Patrick was schooled in figures, then, it would certainly lend credibility to the benefit that figures have for edge development. I find that the older coaches ARE the ones who are still doing figures ... particularly the competitive track ones.
 

megsk8z

On the Ice
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Jul 27, 2003
I am so lucky. I have a coach that believes in figures. I own a scribe and think figures are a wonderful, rewarding thing to do. I did not think so when I was a child and they were compulsory, but I have an appreciation for them now. Of course, I have more patience and worse eyesight now. :)
 

viennese

Rinkside
Joined
Mar 22, 2004
I miss figures...even though the intensity (training, difficulty, $) pushed me out of the sport as a young teenager. Those advanced figures were way beyond me, but I did enjoy being part of the early risers club, practising school figures in the quiet rink.

Testing, though, was difficult - I recall getting SO nervous before various judges.


Now I'm glad I did them. As I've come back to skating, I know that that early training - edge control, patience - helps my body remember how to do things.
 

redhotcoach

On the Ice
Joined
Dec 4, 2005
Osbourne Coulsen was most definitely from the age of figures and a big believer in basics. Unfornately, figures went out of the test sytem in Canada by the time Patrick was about 5 years old --pre-Ozzie - when he was still in learn-to-skate classes and few clubs kept figure ice for sheer practice after that. However, like any good coach, I know Osbourne made Patrick work on edges, loops, brackets, counters etc.. in order to provide the on-ice core strength that figures gave.
 

Bennett

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 20, 2007
I think that Japan has used figures as a requirement to pass the tests for lower-level skaters.
To be honest, I hated figures. I thought it a nerdy thing to do --- to look down on the ice, studying the trace. But I may find the current system that picks on slight URs and wrong edges in slow-mo even more nerdy ;p
 

Sk8n Mama

Final Flight
Joined
Jan 23, 2004
Osbourne Coulsen was most definitely from the age of figures and a big believer in basics.

And never was I more nervous than when, at a skating seminar, Mr. Coulson asked me to demonstrate one of the loops figures to all the other skaters! LOL I'll never forget it! I hated them, was terrible at them, at it's the one "hole" in my skating credentials as I quit them before I passed my 8th.

I think all of those "old school" coaches understood why basic edges and turns were so important even when the sport moved away from them for awhile to jumps.
 

CdnSkateWatcher

On the Ice
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Jan 21, 2010
I missed the start of it, sadly, but, did not Patrick being his Olympic Gala skate, which was supposed to be a tribute to Ozzie, with school figures? I heard the commentators as I was coming back into the room, but, missed the skate, thus, not sure if that is entirely accurate. If so, then, I would think that he would have included this portion for a good reason (and it would be nice, if true, to show that videotape of him performing the figures when having that discussion on edges/figures with reluctant skaters (and coaches :laugh:)
 

sgower

Rinkside
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Feb 7, 2007
I missed the start of it, sadly, but, did not Patrick being his Olympic Gala skate, which was supposed to be a tribute to Ozzie, with school figures? I heard the commentators as I was coming back into the room, but, missed the skate, thus, not sure if that is entirely accurate. If so, then, I would think that he would have included this portion for a good reason (and it would be nice, if true, to show that videotape of him performing the figures when having that discussion on edges/figures with reluctant skaters (and coaches :laugh:)

He did appear to be doing some figure eights, brackets and other turns that looked like patch - it was wonderful to watch. I too miss figures and still have my old patch boots with the toe lopped off the blade for cleaner turns! I only made it to my 5th, but I do miss them a lot. I still have my scribe and when coaching we have made a row of circles and done some figure eight type of exercises. Kids tend to rush through, so we have to get them to slow down and really feel the edges and turns.

I once went to a seminar where the course conductor said that even without knowing anything about us, he could tell which skaters had done figures and which had not - although perhaps he was trying to flatter us older skaters ;-)
 

kyla2

Final Flight
Joined
Jan 24, 2004
I have one name for you, Trixie Schuba. Many of us know what I am talking about. I remember the absolute fiasco of Trixie Schuba winning because of her superior figures. Unfortunately, she skated a really awful LP but won because of her figures. That's why they changed the system amd I was 100% for it. Still am. That should never happen again. That is the one part of the system I wouldn't change.
 

bigsisjiejie

Record Breaker
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Nov 22, 2009
I adore figures. I'm sad that I never had the chance to skate until 1994, when I was well into adulthood and figures were on their way out in the US. I did manage to get to the USFSA 1st figure test though. I loved the silence and the meditative Zen-like quality, a good 5 am patch session always put me in a good mood before heading off to work!

If I ever become a rich lady, I will build myself a small indoor home rink, big enough to practice serpentines. I still have my figure boots, blades and my highly prized scribe! The only problem is that the figures coaches seem to be a dying breed. :cry:
 

redhotcoach

On the Ice
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Dec 4, 2005
I remember going to an Ice Follies/Ice Capades show just after Trixie won.......and she opened her show number with a spot light on her doing back one-foot loops!!!! Of course, back one-foot loops were 8th test figures -- so I was in awe. However, even at that young age I was a bit disappointed with her 'freeskate' program that followed.......even I could do most of her routine.

BTW - I'd have no trouble coaching an 8th figure test to my students now --- and I'm not that old. The last figure test one of my skaters tried was an 8th test and a 7th test.......about 15 years ago....but I still have my old rulebooks and coaching notes somewhere!!!
 

mskater93

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 22, 2005
Some of the best Adult Masters programs include figures. Larry Holliday has done a back paragraph loop in some of his programs (redhotcoach, you called it a one foot back loop, but its official name is a back paragraph loop) to go with a double Axel and a couple triples, Amy Entwhistle did them in one program, Michael Orr incorporated them this past year, and Scott Sheets used them in Intermediate/Novice this past year as a connector. I think Larry's back paragraph loop got almost as rousing a cheer as the 3S. :p
 
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