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    Quote Originally Posted by karenll View Post
    I think it's totally arguable (although "arguable" sounds unpleasant so I'd rather go with "debatable") :P I didn't think Yuna's transitions were that remarkable. She had the ina bauer and spread eagle, but Mirai also had an ina bauer and difficult footwork into her second lutz. Transition wise, I'd give Yuna an edge but Mirai's edge in spins and spirals makes up for that. As far as "KinderCarmen" and "maturity" goes, that's an opinion. I for one loved the bubbly/cute interpretation of Carmen. I really don't want to see another serious, dramatic Carmen program in my life if I can help it
    Kim had more than just difficult footwork into just one jump. (Once again as I said in every jumping pass except the 3/3). Things like like footwork into her 3sal. Doing the 3lutz at the end of her program and doing a twizzle. After her 3flip, Yu-na did a move right after that jump. And I think she may have had footwork into her 3lutz as well.

    And once again the issue is every program with Mirai is cutsy. Every single one. I love Mirai she's adorable. But.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Totally off topic, but...do you have triplets?
    lol no... after a bout of Meningitis which has now permanently taken me off the ice, I applied and just found out I got into the Royal Academy of Music and Moscow Conservatory. So perhaps it was a blessing in disguise, I would have had a hard time choosing if I knew I could still be skating. At least going back into music will put my Math major to good use. Everyone around me was saying the only choice left would be teaching math, and while I love math, I'm a terrible teacher. So it's music triplets

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    A skater is only allowed to attempt 1 3-jump combo pass (and only 3 combination jump passes in total), so the 2A+2lo+2lo has to be only a 2A or else the entire jump pass will receive zero credit.
    OK, what about this? Change the 2A+2Lo+2Lo to a 2A+2A sequence.

    Better yet, combine the 3F and 3S into a sequence, then do two full credit double Axels for the last two passes.

    Now we get really crazy. Do a 3Lz+3Lz combo with the second Lutz going off the opposite foot in the opposite direction. Change the first combo to 3A+3Lo+3T (dropping one of the 2Lo's from the second element.) This frees up another jumping pass for yet another 2A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydneyphoenix View Post
    Is that so even for double jump? If that's the case, I guess some of 2Lo will have to change to 2T, bringing down total by slight amount.
    How about 3A + 3Lo, 3A + 2Lo + 2Lo, 3Lz + 3T, 3Lz, 3F, 3S, 2A, is it a valid jump protocol?
    You could do 3A+3Lo, 3A+3T, 3Lz+3T+3Lo (to maximize the jumping passes), then add in another solo 3A, 3Lz, 3F, 3S. I believe that would give you the maximum point value without breaking any rules.

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    Wouldn't you have repeated 4 triple jumps (A, Lz, Lo, T) twice each then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethissoawesome View Post
    lol no... after a bout of Meningitis which has now permanently taken me off the ice, I applied and just found out I got into the Royal Academy of Music and Moscow Conservatory. So perhaps it was a blessing in disguise,
    Sorry about your illness, but wow! and congratulations on your new opportunity in music. ♫ ♪

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    Mao now "feel[s] very happy to land three 3As and get the Silver"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sydneyphoenix View Post
    How about 3A + 3Lo, 3A + 2Lo + 2Lo, 3Lz + 3T, 3Lz, 3F, 3S, 2A, is it a valid jump protocol?
    Yes, I think that's valid. If I remember correctly double jumps are not subject to Zayak rules.

    But I think you can beat that layout point-wise, with 3A+3Lo+2Lo, 3A, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz, 3F, 3S, 2A+2A seq.

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    hmm that's true... you'd have to then do 3A+2Lo+2Lo, 3A, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo, 3F, 3S, 2A ... then you are only repeating the 3Lz and 3A. Without a quad... that jump setup is probably the best you could get off.

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    That is so nice to see! Congratulations Mao!

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    Okay, any takers on more difficult protocol? I think I might also figure out optimal Men's Protocol while I am at it. Just add 1 to each number in ladies protocol, or put the limit at 4S (the hardest jump successfully done by anyone so far).

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    I'll bite. 4S, 3A+3T+3Lo, 4S+3Lo (I'd love to see someone pull that off *giggle*), 3Lz, 3F, 3A+2A*seq, 3S

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethissoawesome View Post
    hmm that's true... you'd have to then do 3A+2Lo+2Lo, 3A, 3Lz+3T, 3Lz+3Lo, 3F, 3S, 2A ... then you are only repeating the 3Lz and 3A. Without a quad... that jump setup is probably the best you could get off.
    Change 3A+2Lo+2Lo to 3A+3Lo+2Lo, and drop the 3Lo form the second Lutz combo. All you have lost is one 2Lo.

    Now you have freed up an extra combo. Change solo 2A to 2A+2A sequence. I think this gains an extra 0.4 points overall (before second half bonus), even with the twenty percent sequence reduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadiva View Post
    Robin Cousins said this as Yuna was skating, he said he'd been talking to Brian and he'd said there wasn't one step in her routine that hadn't been choreographed to gain points. I think this shows just how much he understands the CoP system and how to make the most of it with a very talented skater. The credit is that Yuna managed to make it look like she was living the routine, performing to that exquisite music and not just robotically going through the motions.
    David Wilson IMO is the COP guru. He knows how to milk it for everything its worth. I mean, look at Jeff - he personified what COP was after. It helps that Jeff and Kim have the natural ability to work with most pieces of music in most every way, but they have a choreographer who knows their strengths and uses them to eek every tiny smidge of a point he can. He did the same thing when Dubreuil/Lauzon went to him and suddenly they jumped from 7th at worlds to 2nd (just barely missing the gold)

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