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Thread: Could a perfect Kwan have beaten a perfect Yu-Na?

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    Could a perfect Kwan have beaten a perfect Yu-Na?

    ... go!

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    Huh? Do you mean beat?

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    I can already imagine responses to this thread... meaningless thread

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    Can we just close this thread before it even gets of the ground?

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    Can a prime Dick Button beat a prime Evan Lysacek?

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmanb View Post
    Can we just close this thread before it even gets of the ground?

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    Agreed.

    Michelle is Michelle and Yuna is Yuna.

    End of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    Agreed.

    Michelle is Michelle and Yuna is Yuna.

    End of discussion.
    Poor reasoning. Why hold competitions at all, then? Since everyone is special and unique and "shouldn't be compared."

    I think the question is valid. Yu-Na has a Triple-Triple and MK did not (outside of the 3Toe-3Toe).

    For me, depsite Yu-Na's superior jumping ability, I would place a top MK performance ahead of a top Yu-Na performance. MK has the stronger spiral, so that helps on the tech side, and in terms of musical interpretation Kwan pulls ahead.

    It's too bad that Yu-Na's best programs came earlier in her career ("Roxanne" and "The Lark Ascending"). If Yu-Na skated those programs cleanly today, then it would definitely be a much harder decision. In that case I think I would place Yu-Na ahead. However, there's no telling is Kwan could have gotten a consistent 3Flip-3Toe had she constantly trained it earlier in her career. She had the talent, so I tend to think she would have been able to do it. In which case she wins this theoretical battle.

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    I agree Michelle is Michelle and Yu-Na is Yu-nA!

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    Why do people manage to bring Kwan into every thread?

    And no, Yuna has a 3-3 and Michelle never did so Yuna would win. Michelle's spirals are better but in everything else, Yuna wins.

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    Michelle never had a triple-triple??? Come on, Michelle's combo might have been easier (the triple toe-triple toe), but she's done PLENTY of triple-triples in her career.

    It's tough to compare Michelle and Yu-Na's programs because they were competing under different systems, but personally, I give Michelle the edge, because she's done several 7-triple programs with great choreography and a triple-triple combination all included. I think Yu-Na's done that only once a couple of years back, and she had a shaky landing on one of her triples, and her choreography wasn't quite at the level it is now. If Yu-Na ever gets the triple loop back and does a perfectly clean program with either the triple lutz-triple toe or the triple flip-triple toe combo as well as her characteristic speed and artistry, THEN I'd say Yu-Na's better.

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    Erm, wasn't Kwan laying down 7 triple LPs for years? Has Yu-Na ever done that? I'm just saying, technical ability is more than one (admittedly great) triple-triple combo...but then I also think that Kwan's technical abilities are severely under-appreciated. She had a triple-triple till 2001 and often landed EVERYTHING. I can't remember one single instance where Kim was flawless throughout the competition. But since Michelle became known for and associated with her artistry and connection to the audience, her very, very solid technical basics often get dismissed.

    But I agree with some of the other posters: You can't really compare. At least not in the "what if they were competing against each other?" way. Of course Kim would win, she is a great skater at the height of her powers who is perfectly suited to the current judging system. Kwan is from a different era. There were other requirements at the time, so her programs were structured according to the rules of the 6.0 system. It's as silly as saying that Torvill/Dean are inferior to Virtue/Moir because they didn't have the technical difficulty in 1984 that the skaters in 2010 have. All you can compare is competitive record, skating strengths, weaknesses and influence on the sport.

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    I will always wonder how an injury-free Michelle, with more time to acclimate to the new rules, would have fared under COP. Ditto with Ito.

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    The answer is who knows cause they never got to compete at the same competition under the same rules. In my personal opinion, Michelle tops everyone in terms of artistry and Midori Ito tops everyone in terms of jumps.

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    I think this thread is hilarious. I LOL when I saw it because I knew some people would jump right in and and others would roll their eyes. Should become a GS tradition every Olympics. See how many years it lasts... hee..

    I don't know who would win but I still like Michelle Kwan better than Kim Yuna. I love Yuna but she has one or two awkward moments in her programs. Michelle had none, or at least masked them better - probably easier under the 6.0 system, but still. And nobody can match Michelle in term of projecting emotion, certainly Yuna. Yuna is exciting and mezmerizing to watch. But Michelle gave me chills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Why do people manage to bring Kwan into every thread?
    Um...This is a Kwan thread.

    Yuna has a 3-3 and Michelle never did...
    I don't know how many triple-triples Yu-na has done in major competitions, but Michelle did it eleven times in her career.

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