I hope you don't just say mao is more bendy and has prettier positions. :sheesh:
Judges look at the depth, speed, extension and overall control of the edge in spirals.
Before concluding mao has better spirals tell us exactly how.
Is she faster? Uses deeper edges? Holds the position longer? Same goes with the spins.
I'm not saying that you said this, but I'm really getting sick of people criticizing yuna's flexibility. Too bad she wasn't born with it. Too bad she didn't learn ballet when she was four. The girl worked her butt off to earn what she has now. In interview yuna's dad said it's a miracle that she has the biellman position because he never thought she could. She cried everytime she tried and practiced almost brutally to have the position she has now.
Talking about her flexibility endlessly is like asking why does mao flutz or why does she take off with full blade with toe jumps.
Here is prediction article where he assess each of the top skaters. He praises Mao for attempting the 3A but he also praises Yuna for having the total package. So I don't think his statements reflect the view that Mao is better than Yuna because she does the 3A.
Last edited by miki88; 02-24-2010 at 05:58 PM.
All I am saying is that good position alone is not a measure of good spiral.
It is silly to say that some skaters, including yuna, never deserve level 4 on spiral sequence just because they aren't as flexible as sasha cohen.
And as for mao's music, what's chosen is what's chosen. People will need to get over it.
But do you understand my point?
I find your opinions to be pretty reasonable. It seems you're coming under fire in multiple discussions for them, though, hehe. I like YuNa's spirals...I love Mao's. From the judges' point of view though, it seems that positions aren't the only consideration (although to me, they are the most noticeable.) YuNa seems to be given credit for her edging and speed.
Stojko is becoming as relevant as a skating commentator as he is a successful singer.
I've never thought Yu-Na's spirals were bad; just not the same as other skaters like Mao. Don't blame Kim for utilising the current system such that she gets level fours anyway, taking advantage of her great edges and her speed.
I actually really like Yuna's spirals. Sure, her free leg isn't in a full split but her spirals are fast and have good control and just look nice. Carolina also has very nice spirals without having a full split. I often feel like the full split spirals (eg Sasha, Caroline) move very slowly which kinda diminishes the impact. Mirai is one skater who has a very flexible spiral positition while maintaining good speed.
Cant believe people are saying mao does not have transition into the 3A, for god sake not even toya or midori had it.
Yuna was the winner but not with that score, thats score was just stupid, its should be at leats 2 points difference betwwen them not 5.
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Elvis really needs to shut his mouth, becuase he's killing what little creditblity he's ever had and also hurting the sport to boot.
ITA w/whomever said the rule change that needs to happen in the Ladies SP is that they have the option to do either a double or a triple Axel. Just as the Men have.
As for how the marks went last night...Did Mao land the Triple Axel? Yes, however, it was a bit tight and the speed going into it and coming out of it into that double was slow. I, and I'm sure the Judges, have seen Mao do far better Triple Axels in the past, so I'm hoping *that* was compairsion they were making last night. As for the speed...I was shocked at just slow and creeping Mao was going into that last night. It reminded me of Sandhu's stalking of his Triple Axel and that's not a compairison Mao wants I'm sure.
She landed it, but didn't deserve the out of world GOE some think she deserves just for "landing" the thing. The GOE Mao got for what she did *last night*, was right for what she did.
One thing that's missing in this discussion...Regardless of what we all think, it really was lovely to see a smile on Mao's face as she was skating last night. I've missed that this season.
Last edited by sleepyjl; 02-24-2010 at 07:54 PM.