03-07-2010, 03:42 AM
If I correctly recall, the base value of 3A was increased from 7.5 to 8.2 before the 2008~2009 season started.
Who benefited most? Most of top male skaters could do 3A.
Now there is grumbling about the value of 3A again. Interesting.
If Mao had executed the 3A+2T better at the Olympics, her GOEs could have been higher.
Actually she's well-known for her tendency to underrotate the 2T which evidently tells the 2nd triple jump is not easy for her.
Who has better technical caliber? A skater who has the 3A but not 3-3 jumps? Or a skater who has 3-3 jumps but not the 3A?
I don't think it's easy to judge.
I don't agree that the value of 3A+2T should be higher and extra marks should be given based on the jump difficulty.
Last edited by szidon; 03-07-2010 at 03:56 AM.
03-07-2010, 11:09 AM
The Back Outside Edge is arguably the easiest of the four edges for jumping. Forward Inside Edges hardly exist except for a variation on the one foot axel; Forward Outside Edge can be difficult when attempting an axel; Back Inside Edge is just plain tough to learn on it's own steam. One must use a 3turn or a mohawk turn to get a skater on a bie. When learning firgure skating we used to skate back inside edges down the straight away as well a Figure 4 in school figures.
For Mao, I have not looked so closely at the presumed UR in her toeloop. Given her prowess for jumping skills, I would hesitate to think she has a problem with the easiest of the four takeoffs.
03-07-2010, 11:41 AM
I don't think the essence of the issue is about which combinations are more difficult to execute. It is about whether or not the CoP systematically discourages skaters to try some of highly difficult elememts. I believe the current system does discourage 4 for men and 3A for ladies right now because the reward is not big enough, and the consequence of blowing it a bit too much to bear. For ladies, 3A will not be a game changer, though, after possible revisions as it was a rarity, and one jump does not make a program.
Originally Posted by szidon
03-07-2010, 12:00 PM
Mao's 2T was under-rotated. It is just that the rules were not applied strictly in Vancouver on it for everyone. So, it is not really an issue. Also, many skaters including Mao use "borderline" toe pick assists in toe loop, and the rules are not enforced on it. So, it is really a matter of how strictly or consistently you enforce the rules.
Originally Posted by Joesitz
But, to be fair, under-rotation is not just about difficulty of execution perceived by us, especially in combination jumps.
Last edited by key65man; 03-07-2010 at 01:52 PM.
03-07-2010, 12:59 PM
This wasn't the same Johnny giving away points like he did the past though; the double jump in one of his combos was 'tano-ed, and he executed a 3-2-2 later in his program. He screwed up one spin, that was the only mistake I remember. The jumps were executed brilliantly. He took the system much more seriously this year and it seems like he wasn't rewarded for what he did . . .
Originally Posted by Jaana
03-07-2010, 01:19 PM