Yeah, she is a good sport about it all, and kudos to her....so admirable. That's why when it comes to these passionate discussions, I tend to not blame the skaters themselves. If anything, I thank them for the amazing things they can do. Kim's performance last night was truly a masterpiece, with or without the inflated marks given to her.
But then, on the other hand, it's kind of true that I'm very dispassionate about Yuna. I see her as a great skater but that's all that Yuna does for me.
Yes, but you could just think that to yourself and not hurt the feelings of Kim fans by your choice of words. (Just saying...)
Anyway, I do not see how the double Axel requirement in the ladies' short program puts ladies with a triple Axel at a disadvantage.
Yes, but you could just think that to yourself and not hurt the feelings of Kim fans by your choice of words. (Just saying...)
Anyway, I do not see how the double Axel requirement in the ladies' short program puts ladies with a triple Axel at a disadvantage. For one thing, they have all of the same options as everyone else. They could do triple Lutz/triple toe and triple flip out of footwork, for instance, and save their triple Axel for the long program.
But in addition, they have a lot of extra options that tyhe other skaters don't have. They could do triple Axel/triple toe, then triple Lutz out of footwork, if they are able to. They could do triple flip/triple loop and triple Axel out of footwork. If they can't do a triple/triple, they could do a triple/double (triple Axel/double toe) and get as many points as a triple flip/triple toe, and still do a triple Lutz as the solo jump. Lots of ways to take advantage of the triple Axel, while still satisfying the double Axel requirement.
About Yuna's score...after giving lepisto the 126 for a not-outstanding performance, they HAD to give Yuna a score in the 140-150 range to make it balance out. It didn't really surprise me- but doesn't mean it's not ridiculous.
Don't be too surprised about the inflated marks... its the Olympics after all. Mao would have scored 145-146 if she skated cleanly so Yu-na 150 is not over the moon
No Asada would have had around 144-145 if she landed her 3 flip and 3 Toe with + GOE and a bump in PCS... but Yu-na got to 150 because of alot of + GOE in her jumps which Mao didn't have too much ofIMO, I think judges should think about the message that comes with their scores. Kim's amazing performance was extraordinary, but had she made 2 glaring mistakes, it would have still been enough for her to take home the gold. As a fan, I would lose my confidence in the judging system. Before any skaters took the ice after Kim, they all knew, including Asada, the fight was for silver or bronze. Perhaps I'm a cynic....does anyone know if a perfect Asada performance would have reached 150+ points?
No Asada would have had around 144-145 if she landed her 3 flip and 3 Toe with + GOE and a bump in PCS... but Yu-na got to 150 because of alot of + GOE in her jumps which Mao didn't have too much of
IMO, I think judges should think about the message that comes with their scores. Kim's amazing performance was extraordinary, but had she made 2 glaring mistakes, it would have still been enough for her to take home the gold. As a fan, I would lose my confidence in the judging system. Before any skaters took the ice after Kim, they all knew, including Asada, the fight was for silver or bronze. Perhaps I'm a cynic....does anyone know if a perfect Asada performance would have reached 150+ points?
I"m sorry, but what mistakes are you speaking of?
We must have posted around the same time. Would you mind sharing with us the break down of how Asada would have garnered 146 points?
I"m sorry, but what mistakes are you speaking of? All her jumps were clean. Yes we wcan go back to the spirals and the spins being less than perfect...but I don't know if that's considered glaring. She got all positive GOE on her elements (and no, I'm not asking to start a debate on how much she should have/have not received, just simply that she had them), so from their end she didn't make any mistakes?
She's made more glaring mistakes in other competitions. In 2009 Worlds she missed a Salchow and got zero points for a spin. In TEB she didn't attempt a 3-flip at SA--she fell on teh flip and had a iffy landing on her 3-3. At GPF--she popped her flip in the SP and got the DG in the 3-3 and only could do a 3-2 at the final.
"I'm trying to find the words to describe this girl without being disrespectful"?I'm sorry, I don't want to be rude, but you should re-read Fan123's post more carefully.
Ah, that's good to know, and thanks for clarifying my misinformed argument. Assuming that Asada may not have garnered high GOE compared to Kim, what would you have given Asada in PCS and Kim respectively?
Its a rough estimate but she got a downgrade on her Flip which is around (3+ point difference ) points and single her Toe (4.40). so 7.40 points she lost plus lets say 1.5-2.00 + GOE on those jumps, 2-3 points increase in her PCS, I'm guesstimating her marks will be around 142 - 143.5 ish
Its a rough estimate but she got a downgrade on her Flip which is around (3+ point difference ) points and single her Toe (4.40). so 7.40 points she lost plus lets say 1.5-2.00 + GOE on those jumps, 2-3 points increase in her PCS, I'm guesstimating her marks will be around 142 - 143.5 ish
short answer for the PCS difference.... Mao had bad choreo... there was not a lot of transitions and the music was just too heavy for such a light skater like Mao, If she had a stronger program like she did in 2008 and more speed I think the PCS difference would have been miniscule.Ah, I see...but why so low in the PCS scores compared to Kim? I read in a different thread that the PCS can be subjective? So even if Asada didn't get DG on her 3F and singled her toe, etc...would she still have enough in PCS to even come close to Kim?