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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    ...I doubt anyone is thiking for a moment about the judging.
    If you analyze the content of this very forum, majority of what's being thought about involves judging issues. The great thing about CoP is that it (has to) provide data (protocols) so that quite intricate and sophisticated discussions on judging can be carried out even by those who are non-specialists of skating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    Well, I do think that Yuna was slighly overmarked and Mao was slightly undermarked, even without taking into account that the triple-axel is way too underrated under CoP.

    It will be interesting what the results will be after the LP. If both girls skate without major mistakes in the LP, and Mao ends up with a silver, Mao will have failed to have become a Olympic gold medalist after successfully doing THREE triple-axels against someone who is an awesome skater but nevertheless racks up enough points to win by doing three double-axels in her long program.

    This will be sure proof that the present scoring system is out of whack.
    Can you expalin Mao's super high 130's mark please? with single toe loop and downgraded flip and underserving 2nd pre-rotated triple axel and under rotated double toe loop? Seriously..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nddandy View Post
    Can you expalin Mao's super high 130's mark please? with single toe loop and downgraded flip and underserving 2nd pre-rotated triple axel and under rotated double toe loop? Seriously..
    IMAO. All the scores were inflated. But there was nothing wrong with her axel combo. :sheesh:

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    IMAO. All the scores were inflated. But there was nothing wrong with her axel combo. :sheesh:
    I don't mind that the scores were inflated...it's more about the margin or differential between all the skaters. Even Kim and Orser were surprised at the huge 150 point. Who on this board was not surprised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan123 View Post
    I don't mind that the scores were inflated...it's more about the margin or differential between all the skaters. Even Kim and Orser were surprised at the huge 150 point. Who on this board was not surprised?
    Yes I agree the gap was too big. I was just replying to the poster who said that Mao shouldn't get that score for her performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nddandy View Post
    Can you expalin Mao's super high 130's mark please? with single toe loop and downgraded flip and underserving 2nd pre-rotated triple axel and under rotated double toe loop? Seriously..
    Well, I think all the scores were inflated, though certainly not to the extent that Yuna was. But fyi, besides the jump elements you mentioned, she also did a 3A, 3F+2L, 3L and 2A. So I think she did do some things to garner points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    Well, I think all the scores were inflated, though certainly not to the extent that Yuna was. But fyi, besides the jump elements you mentioned, she also did a 3A, 3F+2L, 3L and 2A. So I think she did do some things to garner points.
    Just FYI, Kim's quote after her performance, "I don't know...I was guessing it was going to be 130 or 140, but it was so high, so I was a surprised." Before the scores came up, I thought in the 130 range as well. I blame the judges, not certainly Kim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    If you analyze the content of this very forum, majority of what's being thought about involves judging issues. The great thing about CoP is that it (has to) provide data (protocols) so that quite intricate and sophisticated discussions on judging can be carried out even by those who are non-specialists of skating.
    Probably what I should have said "many" people aren't thinking about the judging. Obviously the hard-core folks in this forum (including myself-- check all the STATS posts I've put up) will look the judging.. but the response I'm getting from people from my office (who don't watch skating that often) is "Yuna was great...she's amazing. etc, etc" and not one word about COP or that they didnt' agree with the marks or anything about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan123 View Post
    Just FYI, Kim's quote after her performance, "I don't know...I was guessing it was going to be 130 or 140, but it was so high, so I was a surprised." Before the scores came up, I thought in the 130 range as well.
    Yeah. I saw that clip as well. She's a good sport for acknowledging (in a circumvent way, but then, how else?) that the scoring was inexplicably skewed.

    I was just thinking that if anything is going to make CoP work as it claims to, it will be things like protocol sheets, and also, YouTube! All the performances are there on YouTube to be scrutinized as many times as is desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Probably what I should have said "many" people aren't thinking about the judging. Obviously the hard-core folks in this forum (including myself-- check all the STATS posts I've put up) will look the judging.. but the response I'm getting from people from my office (who don't watch skating that often) is "Yuna was great...she's amazing. etc, etc" and not one word about COP or that they didnt' agree with the marks or anything about that.
    You must live in the States. I guess there's not such widespread figureskating fandom in the States right now, so maybe it's not so common. But more figureskating becomes popular in a certain area or culture, more likely will it be that even a casual fan will look at scores, and analyze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    You must live in the States. I guess there's not such widespread figureskating fandom in the States right now, so maybe it's not so common. But more figureskating becomes popular in a certain area or culture, more likely will it be that even a casual fan will look at scores, and analyze.
    Yes, I live in the States and yes there isn't a wide fandom here...but it's obvious to me that people were touched by Yuna's performance and could see with their own eyes why she won and won by a lot. That's been a big crticism of COP on these boards...and I hope people are excited at the fact that for once the audience picked a winner and it actually matched the judges result. The sports columnist at the Seattle Times, who usually covers football and college basketball and that kind of thing, pretty much said that Yuna's performance just really touched him and that he hopes people will remember that performance for a lifetime.

    COP analysis is fine, but you cannot complain about the SOTL that many of these skaters put forth. I rather relish in that for now, and then analyze the numbers letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurrah View Post
    Yeah. I saw that clip as well. She's a good sport for acknowledging (in a circumvent way, but then, how else?) that the scoring was inexplicably skewed.
    Yeah, she is a good sport about it all, and kudos to her....so admirable. That's why when it comes to these passionate discussions, I tend to not blame the skaters themselves. If anything, I thank them for the amazing things they can do. Kim's performance last night was truly a masterpiece, with or without the inflated marks given to her.

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    Why all the hate directed at Elvis? Is his "been there, done that" opinion not respected because he's wrong or because it doesn't mesh with a person's fandom?

    I tend to agree with Elvis... on both Mao's triple axles and the quads. Where is the incentive to try to raise the technical aspect of figure skating when the associated points don't match the difficulty? Jumps may not be the most important aspect of skating, but to imply (which is what judges have done all season) that jumps are not important is bad for the sport.

    I had no problem with the placements of last night's skating - because all did great jobs - but I do have a problem with the ridculously high scores. Are skating fans such lemmings that the ISU has decided that if they give over inflated scores we'll become more engaged? Its not like casual fans know the difference. From my couch, the scores just looked silly.

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    I'm not big on the quad or triple axel (for women) but I do agree that those jumps should be worth more but I'm still more into the whole package (like a Michelle, Mirai, Takahashi, Jeremy Abbott and so on).

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmanb View Post
    If you look at the history of when the Men were allowed to do a double or triple axel - it wasn't until most of the guys were attempting triple axels that the rule change came into effect. I'm trying to think back and I'm guessing it was the 1999 season since 1998 was still the standard mens' SP of 3A+3T, 3Lz, 2A.

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    So you have to wait for the pack to catch up? Should Jeret Peterson not do the hurricane because no one else could do them? Should Shawn White not do the double mctwist whatever because no one can? The rule is unfair to skaters who can do a 3A. If you look at the history of the sport, there are only 5 ladies who's done 3A in international competition, so time warp them together in one event before the 2A/3A rule can be changed? It was unfair, as simple as that.

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