Not saying that *was* the reason, saying I think it *should* be part of the CoP: if the jump is so close to being underrotated, the technical specialist is not sure until the jump is reviewd at least once and maybe more, it shouldn't be eligible for + GOE.If that was the case, Kim should not get huge GOE on her triple triple combo. Her 3T was barely rotated.
Her flip was also barely rotated. NBC showed a super slowmo at the end.
Both girls barely rotated their jumps, just one get bigger GOE?
Last edited by Sk8n Mama; 02-24-2010 at 01:52 PM.
Last edited by Figure88; 02-24-2010 at 02:01 PM.
How can you critique the judging if you don't understand the rules? You can say, "personally, I preferred so-and-so" (you absolutely have the right to your opinion of whose skating you appreciated more) but to critique the judging without knowing the rules is like me trying to critique a dentist just because I have teeth. Besides, it's not some giant manual and anyone can download it from the ISU website, and the ISU has done a good job of trying to make it as easy to understand as possible. If you are truly interested in skating and want to be a knowledgeable fan, you should absolutely read the CoP. Often, if I'm watching a comp, I keep my copy handy. Makes me less outraged if I *think* one skater was better than another if I can glance at my CoP and realize something like, a 3 ax-2toe is worth less than a 3lz-3toe.So people can't make some opinions about the judging unless they read the whole manuel of rules?
Figure88: not sure why you're quoting me there since I'd be in agreement with what you have posted there, and I never said either of them underrotated. I watched on NBC which did a great job on the slow replay and clearly showed both skaters had clean jumps. I, personally, prefer Yu-Na's jumps if you were looking for my official position.
Last edited by Sk8n Mama; 02-24-2010 at 02:03 PM.
Okay, haven't seen Asada yet, but Kim was very on and hard to imagine much that could beat that. Jumps were all A-OK, high and fast in and out. She doesn't do bendy girl spirals but they're fast and she has wonderful lobey edges (also in her footwork). Also the spins, I can imagine they're not everybody's taste, but they're fast and designed to maximize features.
Anyone got a link to Asada?
Last edited by Tonichelle; 02-24-2010 at 10:59 PM.
It doesnt' work. I live outside the US. NBC wants me to go **** myself.
Last edited by Tonichelle; 02-24-2010 at 11:05 PM.
Elvis should just shut up, at least until the Games are over. Why is he so angry all of a sudden, anyway? My guess is because he's not successful in his own life right now.. although that's just a guess since I really don't know much about his life
No one is saying you can't have an opinion. In fact, I clearly stated that you are welcome to an *opinion* but you must understand that there are people at GS with an excellent grasp on the CoP. In fact there are people here who judge figure skating and have been tested on their knowledge of the CoP. It's insulting to those people to be argued with by someone who admits that their knowldege of the CoP is mostly limited to what they've been told by others. It's not just you miki88. At the Olympics, everyone watches figure skating and thinks they know who should and should not win. The fact is, under the CoP, it's not easy (maybe not possible) to do that anymore. I competed in skating for many years and judged (prior to CoP) and there are things I miss that now effect the placement. Often, when I go back and read the protocols carefully, I get a better understanding of what happened. Case in point: Belbin and Agosto's twizzles in the FD. Just watching the event, I felt the Russians were held up, but when I read the protocols, I have to admit that I missed the mistake on the twizzles.I don't understand why you guys are harsh on me just for an opinion. I don't even think I was making a critique of the judging, because they were mostly assumptions based on what I heard from a friend who has read the CoP in detail regarding the GOE. I have read segments of the CoP (not all of it), so I am not going to say I am an expert on it. If they were wrong, you can point it out to me but you don't have to make it sound like that I have no right to say anything just because I am may not be as knowledgeable.
Again, enjoy watching the skating and discussing it. Have an opinion. But since you admit that you have a weaker grasp of the CoP, be willing to understand that others do have a strong grasp on the CoP and that makes their opinion an educated one.
And, here I said I would not get sucked into this debate....*sigh*
Last edited by Sk8n Mama; 02-24-2010 at 02:41 PM.