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Thread: Your TOP 5 MOST UNDERSCORED/OVERSCORED programs from the Olympics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonbinfan86 View Post
    Why is everyone ragging on Mao when the same criticism can be directed at Yuna? Yuna underrotated almost every single jump in the program, especially the triple toes in combination, according to the NBC scoring guide I give her a fair scoring of 135 and Mao a 142.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1txhIl5Z-UM
    Ha Ha Ha... I watched this video. I cannot agree with your opinion. This video Too. Are you really agree with opinions in this video? If you say Yes, maybe you are Japanese. After olympics, many Japanese made wrong or ugly video about comparision between Mao and Yuna. They provide wrong information in the video. For a long time, most Japanese thought that no one can beat Mao in Olympic because Mao has 3AS. Japanese don't want to think that Yuna Kim won gold medal. Shame on the one who made this video. I am Canadian who cheers JR. Please don't quote this ugly video in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonbinfan86 View Post
    Why is everyone ragging on Mao when the same criticism can be directed at Yuna? Yuna underrotated almost every single jump in the program, especially the triple toes in combination, according to the NBC scoring guide I give her a fair scoring of 135 and Mao a 142.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1txhIl5Z-UM
    Yuna 135 and Mao 142?.. then Mao should have won OGM.. wow
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    I can see Yuna having a lower score, but I'm sorry Mao just does not deserve a higher score given her popped 3t and UR 3 jump combination. Plus her skating is slow compared to Yuna's and she showed no emotion. Yuna gets huge GOEs for her jumps mostly because she has very difficult entries and transitions going into them - Mao does not. In the case of Mao's 3as, she just strokes for a long time before them with no choreography or transitioning effort and then pre-rotates the jump 1/2 turn. Her 3a seriously only has a little more than 2.75 rotations in the air, so really, why should it get huge GOE?
    Yuna deserves higher GOE, but I don't agree with your statement that Mao shows no emotion in her LP. It's just a different kind of emotion. I actually didn't think Yuna showed much emotion in her program until the last minute or so when she started doing her steps. I also don't agree that Mao little more than 2.75 rotations. She does tend to prerotate but she did more than 3 revolutions in the air on her axels this time.

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    Mao is so overrated sometimes IMO. Lucky to be on the Olympic podium AT ALL this year.

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    All jumnps in figure skating are underrotated. All.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetana View Post
    To be honest,,,

    little bit Overscored
    Mao
    little bit Underscored
    Joannie

    Actually I expected Joannie would get 2nd rank when she was finished. I think she was underscored because Mao was overscored. Mao is a so talented girl. However, her jumps in olympic lp were very messy and her interpertion just didn't match with the music at all. I thought some jumps should've been downgraded. However, if i consider she performed just after Yu-na, maybe she should've gotten some advantages unlike the others, so maybe judges did good works. That's why I was satified with the result. In another side, I don't know it was fair for Joannie, though.
    They both were sloppy on the LP. Mao was almost robotic, nailed the first 4 jumps cleanly, underotated the 2nd 3Flip and poped the 3T with the blade caught up with the ice. Joannie stepout and underrotated the 3Flip and also two footed the 2A. She did the 3T-3S in sequence which is lower base value so their free skate mark is almost neck to neck. I think the cushion Mao has after the SP, which was totally underscored, allows her to hang on to Silver. The 3A+2T in the SP deserve better GOE and the solo 3A was nicely done and didn't even get +1GOE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    All jumnps in figure skating are underrotated. All.
    is this the statement of the month?
    any analysis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    All jumnps in figure skating are underrotated. All.
    Maybe this can put an end to the all this claims of UR's missed by judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watchskate25 View Post
    Ha Ha Ha... I watched this video. I cannot agree with your opinion. This video Too. Are you really agree with opinions in this video? If you say Yes, maybe you are Japanese. After olympics, many Japanese made wrong or ugly video about comparision between Mao and Yuna. They provide wrong information in the video. For a long time, most Japanese thought that no one can beat Mao in Olympic because Mao has 3AS. Japanese don't want to think that Yuna Kim won gold medal. Shame on the one who made this video. I am Canadian who cheers JR. Please don't quote this ugly video in the future.
    I'm not Japanese, I'm Korean, unlike others I don't let my ethnic "pride" cloud my judgment

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    Lambiel was way overscored in both programs, though I still love him. Contesti and Verner both bombed but their PCS still should have been higher, they are good skaters and their PCS were crappy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonbinfan86 View Post
    I'm not Japanese, I'm Korean, unlike others I don't let my ethnic "pride" cloud my judgment
    One's ethnicity is not an absolute indicator of one's opinions. Neither is it a qualifier of superiority of judgment. Also, sharing an ethnicity with any representative of that ethnic community is more complicated than a simple "I share ethnicity with that person so I must therefore be in support of that person." This can go in a different direction, the simplest being, "I share ethnicity with that person so I am more secure in my criticism of that person." The world isn't that kind of black or white as any study of race relations will tell you.

    I can tell you right now, that my best friend, who happens to be Japanese and has been very much involved with the figure skating world for a long time, would disagree with you about your assessment of Yuna Kim's performance. In that effect, does his ethnicity mean that he is more qualified in his praise of Yuna than a Korean person is? No. It does not. Just as your criticism of her is not more qualified just because of your ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonbinfan86 View Post
    I'm not Japanese, I'm Korean, unlike others I don't let my ethnic "pride" cloud my judgment
    Give me a break, wonbinfan. I thought you were a quite an extremist. Even I disagreed with how you gloated over Ohno's DQ and how you went overboard with some of your remarks. That's not your "ethnic pride" talking?

    As for the video, it's one of dozens of such propaganda videos floating on Youtube. Under the current rules, UR's under 90 degrees are allowed. All of Yuna's jumps looked rotated under the rules. It just shows your lack of knowledge of the subject if you're going to bring up such an obviously biased and manipulated video.
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    D/D's SP Overmaked
    Pang/Tong's SP Undermarked

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiKike View Post
    05. Kim's FD.
    The best ladies winning performance in olympic history ??. Yes. A world record breaker with
    over 17 points in just GOE?? I dont think so.
    This was my thought too immediately after the FS, but after reconsideration and multiple viewings, I have to disagree with you. The difficulty levels of all her elements, especially her jumps, are so high that I actually think she deserved greater GOEs than she received. Much praise has been lauded on the height, speed, air position, and coverage of her jumps, with which I wholeheartedly agree. But her transitions are also unbelievably difficult. The spread-eagle/Ina Bauer entry into her 2A combination jumps are super difficult, as all the commentators have remarked. But also look at the 3S and second 3Lz jumps, for example. She stays on her landing foot for a full 3-4 seconds after each, performing 4 turns after the salchow and 2 turns after the lutz, and covering about 30 feet of ice after each, all on said same landing foot. That is just incredible! She needs to exit her jumps with perfect balance, incredible speed and perfect flow in order to pull that off. No other female skater even attempts these types of moves, and she should have gotten at least +2 GOEs on both jumps (she only got +1.4 GOE on her 3S). She more than deserved her positive GOEs and anyone who says different has either not paid enough attention to the details of her program or simply doesn't know enough about skating.
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    Top 5 underscored
    1. Johnny Weir's LP
    2. Belbin & Agosto's OD & FD they were underscored entire competition
    3. Denney & Barrett's LP
    4. Asada's LP PCS should have been higher
    5. Flatt's LP

    Top 5 overscored
    1. Kim's LP Way too high
    2. Plushenko's SP & LP Jumps were ok, but PCS way too high
    3. Rochette's SP & LP
    4. Domnina & Shabalin's OD & FD
    5 Asada's LP where were the different types of jumps? only 3a?

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