She's done 3-2-2 most of her career. She can do them easily she just does the 2axel/2toe/2loop because she switched to the 3lutz/3toe. The thing is that 2 3/3s in the long won't change her base value, so its not worth it.
Orser wants Yuna to go for the Triple Axel
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She's done 3-2-2 most of her career. She can do them easily she just does the 2axel/2toe/2loop because she switched to the 3lutz/3toe. The thing is that 2 3/3s in the long won't change her base value, so its not worth it.
How about a 3-3-2? Jeremy Abbott does what I believe is a 3Lz-3T-2L which is worth 11.5 points. And he does it in the second half so it goes up to 12.65. That's a lot of points. I think Yuna could do it!
ETA: I realize that under the current rules, in order to do that combo, she would have to eliminate her 2A-3T and her single triple lutz. With the lutz at 6.6 points and the combo at 7.5 it wouldn't be worth it.
If she got back the 3L, maybe. Here's a proposed jump layout
3Z-3T or 3Z-3L
3F
2A-3L (can you realistically do this combo? if not do a 2A - 3L sequence) or 2A-3T
2A-2T-2L
3S
3Z-3T-2L
2A
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I'm with DesertRoad on this one. Until Brian himself reiterates his statement about the triple axel and Yu-Na herself acknowledges it, I'll consider it's not serious...yet.
Wow I didn't know that! Why didn't Midori try 3A in comp earlier? She would have had it, no?
It would get her no new points because she wouldn't be able to do her 2axel/2toe/2loop. The system is sucky when it comes to combinations.
Well who knows how long she was practicing the jump, but I'm figuring that she probably didn't have it cosistent enough to try it in competition until 1989, otherwise she'd have tried it in the 1988 Olympics, don't you think. But the question is how many years did it take her and Tonya to master it, and how long were they landing it in practice before they did it in competition....
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I know, I just said that for me it seemed more logical to continue trying new combinations (3-3-2 too) than learning 3A. It looks like she already landed it some years ago, but abandoned it because of the risk of the injury. I'm still not sure, because Mao was struggling so much with that jump... It's the hardest jump of all and Yuna doesn't really need it. Of course, it would be amazing to see 3A from her.
I agree. By the way, I'm not sure, but wouldn't she get some points at least? Like for skating skills or something like this? it just seems surreal that there is no points at all for hard combinations...
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I'm just not seeing the logic of new combinations that won't get her more points. a 3/3/3 would be amazing, but that will get her no new points. A 3lutz/3loop would be good but the loop is her issue jump and that doesn't merit her much points still... If she wants to improve technically the 3axel (or the quad) and really probably the 3axel is absolutely the place she would go. Orser's right about it, and I'm not sure why that's a joke. What's funny about the 3axel, its an amazing jump. His other quote about how they practiced it earlier and he believes she can do it sounds pretty serious.
The goal would be to keep the combinations she has double axel/3toe, 3lutz/3toe (and practicing the 3flip/3toe) while adding in the 3axel. The only concern really would be injuries.
Yes Yu-na doesn't need the 3axel right now, but she could need it in the future. There are youngsters like Mirai nipping at her heels, so to speak. Getting the 3axel would put her one step ahead of them. Its smart. Now of course we have to see the jump before we know she can do it. But I think working on the 3axel and trying to get it would be the best way to ensure she stays on top.
And of course the jump is difficult. The main thing though would be to learn from Mao and not let the 3axel get in the way of her other jumps, or the rest of her skating. Yu-na is helped by the fact that her technique on the other jumps is a lot better than Maos.
One thing I think Yu-na could do to improve would be to work on her footwork, so that she could maybe get level 4.
Yu-na already has won everything. So she has in a lot of ways nothing to lose.
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I kind of read that she had broken her leg or something and stopped practicing.
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Thank you for explanation. For me Brian talking about 3A is not a joke at all, of course.
Thank you for explanation. For me Brian talking about 3A is not a joke at all, of course.
There is always something to improve and she knows it. If she decides to stay for another season, she will improve something for sure.
Yes I remember she was having some big time injuries that summer. Which is my biggest concern with her doing the 3axel. But now that she's done growing, maybe it could be okay. (And if they are careful). She's won everything already so I think in someways she has less to lose now than she did before. We will see. As for Orser, "milking Yu-na" of course the man doesn't want his star student to retire in her prime.
I think one advantage with Yuna is that I feel like Orser has been very good about sensing Yuna's abilities and not overworking her. I think is an opportunity here for her to advance the sport now that she does not have the pressure of getting an OGM. And who wouldn't want to see another Mao vs. Yuna matchup? Sign me up, please.
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Here's what Orser said, according to Reuters: "I'd love her to learn the triple Axel, that would be pretty sweet. But I haven't told her that yet," he conspired.
He was joking. It doesn't mean they won't actually do it, but this isn't an announcement nor is it serious, unless Orser is in the habit of announcing a major strategy and goal to the press before he talks it over with the skater he's coaching.
You're probably right. But I think there's a bit of truth in humor. I mean besides bringing back the 3L and getting level 4 footwork, what else can Yuna work on?
Sure. I guess I would assume that would be part of the effort. But if she wanted to push the sport further or leave a bigger legacy behind, I'm just curious what she could do to ensure that.
But read for another quote which is this:
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=070000&biid=2010030207658
It seems to me maybe he's saying this to convince Yu-na to stay. Or to issue a challenge to the other ladies too. But I don't get think what he's saying is a joke. And honestly I think some kind of challenge would be good for Yu-na. She's won everything, she's done 3/3s. So why not encourage her to reach a new level technically and be one of the few ladies in the history of the sport to do that jump...Its the logical next step, if she wants to improve her score.
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Mao might try and master the quad toe-loop,
Yuna might try and master the triple-axel.
Before Mao goes for the quad, she's more likely to master the lutz and get her 3-3's back.
Before Yuna goes for the triple-axel, she's more likely to master the loop. And fix her positions in spirals and spins. And try putting in two 3-3's rather than one.
But we'll see....
Yuna might try and master the triple-axel.
Before Mao goes for the quad, she's more likely to master the lutz and get her 3-3's back.
Before Yuna goes for the triple-axel, she's more likely to master the loop. And fix her positions in spirals and spins. And try putting in two 3-3's rather than one.
But we'll see....
I would be pretty psyched if Yu-na did learn it, but I want her to get the triple salchow and loop back before learning this ;D And in the meantime, I'm sure Orser's going to be drilling Yu-na on spins and stretches, which, let's admit it, are good but aren't amazing; Mirai and Mao both are better at this. If Yu-na wants to stay at the top of the game, she needs to get the stretches and spins down pat, get all the triples in before learning the axel. But if there's anyone that could pull off a WOW axel... it's Yu-na. I mean, she has the speed and height already, ne? And the willpower, I'm sure.
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