What If We Do Have A Reputation Mark?

[stella8h8chang]

Yeah, it seems like a fair idea...but for me it'd take some of the fun out of watching the sport? Not to be mean to skaters, but I like the fact that it's somewhat unpredictable and that my adrenaline and blood pressure go through the roof when skaters take to the ice...and that sometimes you get a skater who just has the skate of their life and surprises everyone...?

[DesertRoad]

This is the worst idea since viral marketing, and the worst opinion since Dred Scott v. Sandford.

[jennylovskt]

I think we already have too much reputation scoring helping top skaters when they have off nights.
We saw for years that Ice Dancing was scored in the manner you are suggesting and what happened?

The IOC threatened to kick it out of the Olympics if they did not stop basing the scores in part on reputation from past events and years.

I think less reputation scoring would be good for skating and that more would hurt it and lead to more controversies.

On the contrary, I think in Ice Dancing, everybody coming in was supposed to be blank on paper, but the results were actually rubbed in some reputation marks. That's the reason that made ice dancing more controversial. If there ever be "legalized" reputation mark on the paper, it'll reduce the controversies.

if reputation marks were to be justifiable and sort of 'legal' what fs fans would have to complain about then?

No complain, no fun?

This system is already in place in figure skating.

At the world championship event, of course the skater who skates best at that event wins that event, just like the student who scores highest on the final exam scores highest on the final exam. The World Champion is the person who won that event, just like the Cup of China Champion is the skater who won the Cup of China.

Then afterwards all the points are added together and the ISU awards a big cash prize to the skaters who did the best overall throughout the season, including Worlds, Cup of China, the Nebelhorn Trophy, etc., just like the final course grade you get in school.

Last year the overall champions of figure skating were Yu-na Kim ($45,000 plus the honor of being the overall winner), Tomas Verner ($45,000), Savchenko and Szolkowy ($67,500) and Domnina and Shabalin ($67,500). This is on top of the money that they won at the World Championship contest and at other events during the year.

As for the Olympics, I don't think the International Olympic Committee would go along with a system that says, this skier fell on his downhill race at the Olympic Games, but let's give him a gold medal anyway because he sure did ski fast in events over the last four years.

Thanks for the explanation! But the bolded part should never happen because first, downhill skiing is a race measured by time. It's not right to have reputation marks. What I thought was to reduce one time subjectiveness. Second, the reputation mark should serve only as a little portion of the total score. It cannot replace the Olympic competition scores.

I think the poster who started the topic is trying to figure out a way to strip Evan of the OGM he won fair and square on the ice.

Thanks! You've given me an enormous power.

Some said it would be the end of skating if Evan won, others said GS would implode and a few even claimed the world would come to an end if Evan won the OGM

Guess what - Evan won and there is still skating, GS is still going strong and the world has not come to an end. But we may have seen the last of Joubert

well I lost 3-4 kilos from not eating the next days, became blue from crying and broke like 3 glasses of water. My mum was not happy for any of these. I told her GS is still running to calm her down but she didnt pay attention
Well at least now I can joke about it. :o World is coming back to its place.

I thought MY skating world would come to an end. It didn't. I have miraculously survived. Then I realized that if I could survive this time, nothing would ever break me again.

Yeah, it seems like a fair idea...but for me it'd take some of the fun out of watching the sport? Not to be mean to skaters, but I like the fact that it's somewhat unpredictable and that my adrenaline and blood pressure go through the roof when skaters take to the ice...and that sometimes you get a skater who just has the skate of their life and surprises everyone...?

I thought this too, but what would be left after the blood pressure came back to normal? ... the endless regrets. Example: The 1998 Olympics ladies event.

[Tinymavy15]

I used to be totally opposed to the reputation scoring idea until I started going to events live. The top skaters have an "aura" about them, for lack of a better word that just makes everything they do seem much more elegant and confident. Evan has this aura. Mirari does not yet, but she probably will by this time next season if she keeps skating well. How the skater carries him/herself, who they are...the way the audience hold its breath when they compete...I am not saying that skaters should win because of who they are but I am just saying I understand it more now.

[janetfan]

I thought MY skating world would come to an end. It didn't. I have miraculously survived. Then I realized that if I could survive this time, nothing would ever break me again.

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You know the saying, "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger."

I think you are in debt to Olympic champion Evan Lysacek for he has truly made you stronger.

Now what can we do to make you wiser?

Maybe Patrick Chan winning the WC

[Mathman]

well I lost 3-4 kilos from not eating the next days, became blue from crying and broke like 3 glasses of water...

Well at least now I can joke about it. :o World is coming back to its place.

Ah, the resiliency of youth.

It took me three years to get over Michelle Kwan losing in 1998. Then, just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water -- oh no, 2002!

I used to be totally opposed to the reputation scoring idea until I started going to events live. The top skaters have an "aura" about them, for lack of a better word that just makes everything they do seem much more elegant and confident. ... How the skater carries him/herself, who they are...the way the audience hold its breath when they compete...

That was Michelle at U.S. Nationals year after year. It was like she was saying to her competitors, "I'm Michelle Kwan. You're not. Explain to me again why you're out here on the ice?"

But the all-time king is Plushenko. When he strikes his opening pose it's like he is saying to the other guys, "Watch and learn, my children."

[jennylovskt]

You know the saying, "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger."

I think you are in debt to Olympic champion Evan Lysacek for he has truly made you stronger.

Oh, I have plenty of ways to strengthen me. I really don't need this in the first place.

Now what can we do to make you wiser?

You've been pissed me off with your numerous posts in the last a few months. Believe me, it has made me a lot wiser.

But the all-time king is Plushenko.

Any of these kinds of compliments to him, especially from you, would make me feel a lot better ...... ah, actually a lot worse. ... no, a lot better. I don't know.

[seniorita]

Ah, the resiliency of youth.

ah it is not youth mathman , it is that I behaved like an ostrich, and I hid my head in the sand for some days. Like it never happened sort of thing. By the time I took it out, the Olys ended
Did it happen to you that after the 2002 shock, you could watch competitions more free and you were just happy to watch her skate?I m sort of in this place now.
And I second jenny, whenever you say something nice for Plushy, it doesn't matter if you like his skate / programs or not, when it comes from you it is like a rainbow after the storm.

[janetfan]

I don't understand where the talk about "I don't care where I place, any medal would be good, even 4th place" went. Or fans who said they were just so happy that a skater was returning from retirement.

Apparently the skater didn't mean what he said and some of his fans wanted nothing less than the OGM. A silver medal is not the end of the world especially for an older skater battling injury problems.

I was happy to see Sasha compete again and enjoyed her SP alot. Her LP did not turn out so well but I was still happy she tried and even Michelle said she was pulling for Sasha. My gosh, even Kwanford Wife was supportive of Sasha's comeback.

So Sasha fell short but it is not the end of the world, only the end of her thread here

All things considered I think Plushy added to his legacy. Maybe some are upset but in time his three Olympic medals will be a record of achievement that probably won't be matched again. Button has his legacy and Plushy certainly has his own legacy too.

Maybe it is hard to move on but skaters retire and new skaters emerge. I am lucky because I have become a big fan of Mirai. For the last four years I have been looking back and dreaming of
Michelle and Sasha to comeback and be young again. But time marches on and skaters we have loved can't last forever.

Maybe Plushy will surprise everyone from his doctors to his fans and continue skating - or after a break return and skate in Sochi in 2014. It seems impossible but how can anyone count him out?

[Mathman]

Did it happen to you that after the 2002 shock, you could watch competitions more free and you were just happy to watch her skate?

Well, not exactly. It was more like, I'll never watch skating again and I will punish everyone by never posting on Golden Skate again. (16,000 posts later...)

But I wasn't the worst. We had a very active member back then who, though she was American, was a big Irina Slutskaya fan. When Sarah Hughes won in 2002, she left Golden Skate and demanded that we remove every post she had ever made, and forbid any future posters from mentioning her name. And if we didn't, she would sue us. (She was a lawyer.)

Unfortunately for us she had very commonly occurring first and last names, so for a long time if a poster tried to write one of these names, referring to someone else with the same first or last name, it came out like a bad word, *****.

All of this shows that everything that happens is the fault of Golden Skate and thus Golden Skate rules the figure skating universe.

(Oh wait, I didn't mean to say that GS rules FSU....But yeah. )

Anyway, I didn't get my joy of skating back until the next fall. Skate America happened to be in my home town (Spokane, the skating capital of the USA ), and I was home visiting my mother. So somehow we had two all-event tickets to share among the five of us, so I drew the lucky straw to go to the ladies' short program with my sister (sorry Mom). Here is Michelle's performance. I was back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4w4Az9YU88

Edited to add: By the way, Michelle did not finish behind her music. The music dies to a whisper for a few bars at the end, and with the noise in the arena you can't hear it on the video. (Also her Lutz edge is fine, so there is no point going over it in slow motion. Who gave her a 5.6, anyway!? I want names!!!!! )

[Joesitz]

There seems to be a NEGATIVEReputation as well, as in Skate Dance. I think that the Jitterbug couple was way off course when Torvill and Dean skated in the same competition. I suppose it was the Jitterbuggers turn to win gold. The next-in-line does seem to get it in Skate Dance. So it went on and on. Poor undermarked Lange/Tschernychev,

Nowadays, we will never see The Kerrs, Faiella/Scalli, Novarro/Bommentre, They missed improving their reputations despite their excellent skating. I believe Rubleva/Sheffer"s reputation will grow very soon.

I wouldn't worry about the Reputation score. It's already included in the final score. It's one of those sublime 'attention' scores as are many other subtle add-ons, but not visible.

[snowflake]

I will punish everyone by never posting on Golden Skate again. (16,000 posts later...)

[jennylovskt]

Well, not exactly. It was more like, I'll never watch skating again and I will punish everyone by never posting on Golden Skate again. (16,000 posts later...)

Thanks, MM!

It won't work for me because nobody would care. So I choose to stay. Can't leave GS all to Evan bandwagoners.(I mean mostly, at least for now.)

[seniorita]

Well, not exactly. It was more like, I'll never watch skating again and I will punish everyone by never posting on Golden Skate again. (16,000 posts later...)

well that was my first thought also. Plus I will hold my breath until I turn red- blue - purple and they change the outcome. Of course I was happy he came back and was just at Olys again, but for me the shock was not why he didnt win the gold medal, but how he lost it. I dont wish it to anyone who has not a fav skater, but a sentimental favorite. But i havent entered myself in any discussions of speculations, so I leave it here. If he had placed 10th I would have taken it much better at that time.
The aftermath was worse than competition. But I wouldn't discuss that either. Now i m in my happy cloud again.

But I wasn't the worst. We had a very active member back then who, though she was American, was a big Irina Slutskaya fan. When Sarah Hughes won in 2002, she left Golden Skate and demanded that we remove every post she had ever made, and forbid any future posters from mentioning her name. And if we didn't, she would sue us. (She was a lawyer.)

!!!!!oh god i feel much better now knowing there were worst cases of fandom!
really guys, you should write a book about the legends of GS. And it rules fsu by the way

Who gave her a 5.6, anyway!? I want names!!!!!

was mr Inman the judge there?

I love that Michelle dress by the way!

[jennylovskt]

well that was my first thought also. Plus I will hold my breath until I turn red- blue - purple and they change the outcome.

Imagine that cute picture.