I feel bad for these bigots. They are fighting a losing war. The slavery is not coming back. America finally has a first black president. Even the figure skating world is full of Koreans, Chinese and Japanese.
Last edited by watchvancouver; 03-14-2010 at 12:13 AM.
But it seems you have always defended the Soviet system and sporting culture which seemed so similar to the current Chinese sporting culture - the win at all costs philosophy which was then used by the government to glorify the state and to try and cover up shortcomings such as freedom and dignity for many of it's citizens.
Condeming the practices and methods used by governmemnt run sporting federations doesn't feel like bigotry against the Chinese people to me. It is something altogether different.
I don't have time, but when I have, I can list all parts that demonstrated her hatred for Chinese people and China as a whole, not just the Chinese govenment. I do not defend, and have never defended Chinese government. But I oppose those baseless accusations and pure speculations. Shocking, because you don't know and never heard. Shocking, so her posts could get through. But she is hardly an "expert". You have to take her prejudiced views (I haven't used the word "racist" because I am saying it in an objective way. I never accuse anyone racist unless I truly believe that my words are accurate.) with considerable big question marks.
Last edited by jennylovskt; 03-14-2010 at 10:08 AM.
Janetfan, you pretty much nailed it. I don't have hatred for the Chinese people as a whole. There are some very disquieting aspects to this culture, however, which have in some respects gotten worse. BTW, my relationship with China is not new, but started nearly 25 years ago, probably longer than some posters on this board have been alive. And that included a stint living in China in the mid-1980's. Let's say I've got a bit of perspective. If I hated the Chinese or had fear of the Yellow Man or whatever nonsense somebody said above, I'd be unlikely to have that lengthy a history. However, I will not be an apologist when my eyes, ears, and other senses tell me otherwise.
I offer the following interesting news clip (from a China blog) related to sports and specifically to skating (uh, speed skating that is). Scroll down to the item "Lesson Learned, Zhou Yang Thanks the Country First" and it will illustrate a point that I made in a post above about the system and the mentality. Note that if you are inside China, this website is blocked and you will need to access through proxy or VPN.
At the bottom of that article are several links one of which is China Hush (English language). That article and the comments that follow are of further interest. Particularly the ones from ordinary Chinese, which might not be what you'd expect.
Last edited by bigsisjiejie; 03-14-2010 at 10:06 AM. Reason: added last paragraph
This whole fiasco reminds me of the episode on The Simpsons, when Lisa on purpose answered wrong a test and her teacher still gave her an A+ , because she's Lisa, she always gets great grades and didnt even bother to evaluate the answers. The teacher was just totally clueless as the ISU was this time : "Oh it's China, of course they must have earned three pair teams" LOL
Oh and the big losers of this were unfortunately the 17th pair team after the SP
Last edited by SamuraiKike; 03-14-2010 at 12:11 PM.
Ok, janetfan, first, I have to say that I didn't want to do this. But you questioned it. So here I am, to fulfill my promise to you in my last post.
Chinese skaters deserve as much consideration and protection as any other countries' skaters.
The second bolded part in this quote has again shown her cruelty and hatred.
On the other hand, these blogs have shown that China does have freedom of speech. You can find all kinds of weird things on the news papers and magzines. But if you see these weird, extreme things on the papers and conclude that Chinese are all like these, you are totally wrong. Just like in USA, you turn on TV every night and watch the local news. Most of them are robberies, drug, sex, child abuses, and the similar things. You can not conclude that Americans are so bad. News is just news. They have to find something to talk about and write about. Especially, what bigsisjiejie offered Chinese blogs are just tabloid like (except two of them) news papers.
She just sees what she wants to see and thinks what she wants to think. That is just her opinion about China. It is not the real China and the real Chinese people.
If you have read her posts talking about Beijing Olympics in another thread before Vancouver Olympics, you'll find similar hatred.
Last edited by jennylovskt; 03-29-2010 at 06:43 PM. Reason: correct spelling
I'm sorry but I find this comment unsettling. Every culture in this entire world has its good points and its bad points. Its quite easy, as an outsider looking in, to spot the flaws in someone else's culture. But its a lot harder to spot the flaws in your own culture.There are some very disquieting aspects to this culture, however, which have in some respects gotten worse. BTW
And I thought your comment about taking away the Chinese pairs gold was unnecessary cruel. This pair was the JGPF champions, and they were absolutely going to Junior worlds. Full Stop. They did absolutely nothing wrong and had no control over who their federation sent to Junior Worlds or didn't. To take away their more than earned gold medal would be cruel. The Chinese federation should lose their 3rd spot for next year Junior Worlds that would be a punishment befitting what they did.
Last edited by bekalc; 03-15-2010 at 12:23 AM.
Oh gosh, the smart and morally superior white people should pound into those Chinese how to be moral by imposing uber-harsh sanctions, take away all the medals their athletes won and shame them as much as possible to ensure that the Chinese people accept the "Western" concept of "right" and "wrong".
Last edited by Nadia01; 03-15-2010 at 01:19 AM.
OK. This thread is getting a bit out of hand and way off topic.
It appears from people in the know that the ISU made a mistake - it happens and probably will happen again.
China took full advantage of the situation regardless of whether they knew the ISU made a mistake or not.
One pair of jr skaters didn't get to skate their free program. They probably will never get compensated for it by the ISU.
This is after all, a figure skating discussion board and not a political views board.
Let's get back on topic and leave the politics for the other boards. Thanks.
Those who wish to discuss the international politics and Chinese culture may do so here, in the Politics folder.
Sometimes the ends might justify the means...but in this case, I don't think any skaters should be stripped of medals for mistakes or even possible shady dealings between a Skating Federation and the ISU. Yes, it might hurt both parties, but it hurts the skaters most, and that's just grossly unfair.