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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    But this part is your assumption, because we cannot say that for sure. When she was younger, she only did one 3A, so I don't know how it could have been her savior back then especially since it was never 100% consistent. She only started using it to replace other jumps recently and that was after her attempt to fix some of her jumps did not go well. I think the fact that Machiko's students all seemed to have questionable techniques in their jumps can be more attributed to the coach than to her students. Midori was an exception but she had that natural physique that Mao and Kanako do not. Still even then, Midori had a leg wrap.
    Mao spent a lot of time on 3A and a little on 4. She did not land 3A consistently, which does not mean she did not spend lots of time on it. She did. She was doing alright with flutz and odd flip before, so she really did not need to hit it consistently in competitions. I agree that Machiko's pupils have an issue with correct technique. That does not mean she does not want to teach the right techniques as proven by Midori. But, it seems to be more about winning competitions to Machiko, which is why her pupils often end up with incorrect techniques because incorrect techniques can afford them higher level jumps and landing them at the ealier stage of development as skaters. In the process, it really deteoriates their chance at success after their bodies mature. Short term gain vs. Long term planning.

    If it is semantics that bothers you, then yes, my argument is partly of assumption. You decide if my argument has explanatory power or not.

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    I worry that some of the Russian babies are to focused on getting the jumps and not enough on doing them correctly. But I don't worry about this being the case with Elizaveta. Mishin is not a coach who teaches his skaters shoddy jumping technique. And he's not going to start this with Elizaveta. Elizaveta doesn't have just good speed, she also has very good technique on all her jumps.

    If Elizaveta learns the 3axel, I'm sure Mishin will teach her the jump the correct way...When it comes to the jumps, Elizaveta is in good hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    I worry that some of the Russian babies are to focused on getting the jumps and not enough on doing them correctly. But I don't worry about this being the case with Elizaveta. Mishin is not a coach who teaches his skaters shoddy jumping technique. And he's not going to start this with Elizaveta. Elizaveta doesn't have just good speed, she also has very good technique on all her jumps.

    If Elizaveta learns the 3axel, I'm sure Mishin will teach her the jump the correct way...When it comes to the jumps, Elizaveta is in good hands.
    Yeah, her jump technique is good, but she also falls a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Yeah, her jump technique is good, but she also falls a lot
    I think she's with Mishin only part time because her family can't afford for her to move to train with him full time. Hopefully she'll soon get some funding from the federation to make that possible. Mishin is good with the jumps, but I'm worried that she'll start doing empty programs like Plush. Hopefully she'll get a different choreographer. Although, I don't know if the poor music choices and the non-CoP-friendly choreography were Mishin's fault, or if they were done at Plush's insistence (or due to his knee problems).

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    I don't think Elizaveta falls much more than the average junior lady. Her SP at Nationals was an off performance, and the fall on the 3S in the long was understandable given the hard entry into the jump. She seems to step out/have messy landings more than fall.

    Sotnikova has had a lot more falls this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    I don't think Elizaveta falls much more than the average junior lady. Her SP at Nationals was an off performance, and the fall on the 3S in the long was understandable given the hard entry into the jump. She seems to step out/have messy landings more than fall.

    Sotnikova has had a lot more falls this year.
    Yeah. Elizaveta is 13, and 13 year olds are inconsistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    I don't think Elizaveta falls much more than the average junior lady. Her SP at Nationals was an off performance, and the fall on the 3S in the long was understandable given the hard entry into the jump. She seems to step out/have messy landings more than fall.

    Sotnikova has had a lot more falls this year.
    Yeah, I was just surprised that both Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva were beaten by Agafonova, Shelepen, and Ovcharova at junior nationals, especially considering both Shelepen and Ovhcarova had poor SPs there. I do think it's just partly to do with age, because Agafonova and Ovcharova are about the same age as Liza and Adelina and also are somewhat inconsistent and have falls fairly frequently, if I had to guess all of them have probably grown a lot recently and are adjusting to their longer legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizi31 View Post
    I think she's with Mishin only part time because her family can't afford for her to move to train with him full time. Hopefully she'll soon get some funding from the federation to make that possible.
    Federation rents apartments for her in St.Pete so she can train in Petersburg whenever she wants. Generally Federation spends huge amount of money on Liza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fashionista View Post
    Federation rents apartments for her in St.Pete so she can train in Petersburg whenever she wants. Generally Federation spends huge amount of money on Liza.
    She's only 13, she doesn't live by herself! As far as I know, she still lives in her small village with her family and goes out to St. Petersburg every 2 weeks to train with Mishin.

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    This is true. I didn't say she lived alone in St. Pete. But Federation rents her apartments permanently.
    BTW Glazov is not a small village, it's a city with population about 100 000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fashionista View Post
    This is true. I didn't say she lived alone in St. Pete. But Federation rents her apartments permanently.
    BTW Glazov is not a small village, it's a city with population about 100 000.
    I think she lives in a village outside of Glasov. I know the Russian Federation also gave Alena Leonova an apartment but she doesn't use it. Seems they like to give out apartments to their skaters?

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    Looks like that.

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