Yes, 10 automatic spots plus whatever number USFSA can make other federations invite US ladies.
So other countries better polish their political tactics.
BTW I made a mistake in my last post so I edited it.
What Mrs. P quoted as my post has an error in it.
Last edited by sorcerer; 04-22-2010 at 10:49 PM.
Well you're curious about Japan right?Originally Posted by sorcerer
So let's take a look.
Mao — 2 spots (top 12 Worlds ranking)
Miki — 2 spots (top 12 Worlds ranking)
Akiko — 2 spots (top 12 Worlds ranking)
Kankano — 2 spots likely (jr. world and jgpf champ; top 10 world ranking; #14 season's best score)
Haruka — two likely ( strong 4CC finish #24 world ranking #27 world ranking)
Fumie S — one spot, maybe two (#25 world ranking; #35 season's best)
Yuki N — one spot, (JGPF finalist; # 66 world ranking; #44 season's best)
= 12-13 spots
I again made a mistake in my post "#76", I corrected it to 10 (from 11 which is error).
Well, the tactics for JSF to make the most spots would be to "host pick" Nana and Aki, and promote the "guaranteed 1" Kanako get invited to her second assignment, and to promote Haruka, Fumie, and Yuki to get as much invitations as possible. Theoretically 16 at the very very most.
But probably NHK will want Mao and she will want NHK to spend as much time in Japan as possible. And NHK might pick Kanako too, f'rinstance. So 11 to 14 is the realistic zone.
Last edited by sorcerer; 04-23-2010 at 01:19 AM.
This is blowing my mind. (not unusual). From what I am reading, the ISU issues 2 spots guaranteed to certain skaters based on their calculations. Then to fill the gaps, the ISU continues its list of eligibles for a total of 12 in each venue.
1. Can those who fill the gaps get more than one GP? and why?
2. re: sorcerer's post #76. I presume the ISU announces eligibles but does not assign a skater to a gap, and a Fed has to "sell" its eligible skater to another Host's venue. Does not the receiver have the choice based on a draw?
(I will admit last year's TEB turned out to be a mini worlds for ladies)
Last edited by Joesitz; 04-23-2010 at 07:49 AM.
If a skater/team is in the top 24 of the ISU World Standings or the Season Best scores list, then they will usually end up with 2 GP events even though they are guaranteed only one.
We have to wait to see if any changes are made to the 2010-11 GP selection process (publication of the Announcement), which skaters will retire or choose not to compete on the GP this fall, and which of the GP-eligible singles skaters/dance teams choose to compete on the JGP instead. All of these factors will likely impact the number of skaters chosen from/slots available for the countries with the larger number of eligible skaters.
i guess my is this
russian women--two- ksenia makarova, alena ;;;might get two polina shelepen, polina agafonova, might get one anna ovarchova
japan women- two-miki, mao; akiko--might get two haruka, and possible 1 fumie
us women--two-rachel and mirai--possible two--carolina, ashley, alissa, agnes, christina gao-definely one amanda dobbs; possible 1 alexei gilles--outside shot kristine musambema, and the rest
canadian women--two cynthia and joannie-might get one amelie lacoste, diane szmiett, and myrianne samson- outside shot kate
but i did top 24 from worlds (excluded antasia) top 30 high scores with 35 closely followed and top 24 world ranks
that included the 3 for each country-like france and china--whether they use their alloted 3 --who knows
i also did one that excluded a couple of older skaters like julie sebeysten and sarah meir---no i don't know if they are retiring-i just did a few with the older skaters in and a few without.
If they vote to change the age requirements, might it mean that the Polinas and Anna won't even be age eligible for the SGP? I tend to think Agafonova will stay junior anyway and maybe Anna too.
Also I expect Min-Jung Kwak will get 2 events because Na-Young Kim has gotten 2 events in the past.
Just for fun here are my GP picks based on current rules
Top 12 Worlds gets two events automatically:
Mao Asada
Yu-Na Kim
Laura Lepisto
Miki Ando
Cynthia Phaneuf
Carolina Kostner
Mirai Nagasu
Ksenia Makarova
Rachael Flatt
Viktoria Helgesson
Akiko Suzuki
Sarah Hecken
24 spots=12 skaters
24/72 taken
2 events likely:
Alena Leonova
Kankano Murakami
Julia Sebestyen
Kiira Korpi
Elene Gedevanishvili
Ashley Wagner
Caroline Zhang
Alissa Czisny
Amanda Dobbs
Joshi Helgesson
Polina Sheelpen
Sarah Meier
Agnes Zawadzki
Haruka Imai
Jenna McCorkrell
Joannie Rochette
Christina Gao
Min-Jung Kwak
Yan Liu
38 spots =19 skaters
62/72 spots taken (31 skaters)
1 event (my guess, but think they can certainly get 2)
Amelie Lacoste
Elena Glebova
Fumie Suguri
3 spots
65/72 spots (34 skaters)
1 event for sure
Cheltzie Lee
Alexe Gilles
Angela Maxwell
Tugba Karademir
Yuki Nishino
Myriane Samson
Anna Ovcharova
7 spots
72/72 spots (41 skaters)
Top 12 Worlds gets two events automatically:
Mao Asada
Yu-Na Kim
Laura Lepisto
Miki Ando
Cynthia Phaneuf
Carolina Kostner
Mirai Nagasu
Ksenia Makarova
Rachael Flatt
Viktoria Helgesson
Akiko Suzuki
Sarah Hecken
12 skaters = 24 spots
24/72 taken
Probably 2 events:
Alena Leonova
Kankano Murakami
Kiira Korpi
Elene Gedevanishvili
Ashley Wagner
Caroline Zhang
Amanda Dobbs
Joshi Helgesson
Polina Shelpen
Haruka Imai
Jenna McCorkell
Joannie Rochette
Christina Gao
Min-Jung Kwak
Yan Liu
15 skaters = 30 spots
Sebestyen is retiring, Meier I assume will retire, Zawadzki I assume will do JGP
54/72 spots taken
Host country skaters likely to get 2 events (1 host spot + 1 other invite):
Amelie Lacoste
Myriane Samson
Fumie Suguri
Yukiko Fujisawa
Anna Ovcharova
Alissa Czisny
Alexe Gilles
7 skaters = 14 spots
68/72 spots taken
1 event for sure:
Cheltzie Lee
Angela Maxwell
Tugba Karademir
Diane Szmiett
4 skaters = 4 spots
72/72 spots taken (38 skaters)
yay
Last edited by silverlake22; 04-23-2010 at 04:21 PM.
Not sure Alissa Czisny will continue eligible competition. At this point, she doesn't even have a coach.
It's hard for skaters from non-host nations to get GP invites, and that makes Cheltzie Lee NOT a "for sure"---especially since she is #68 on the ISU World Standings list, and #45 on the Seasons Best list. Tugba Karademir has a slightly better chance of getting one invitation, since she has received GP invitations for the last several years. But the fact that Tugba didn't make the cut for the 2010 Worlds FS, and that she finished 24th at the Olympics, won't be in her favor.
I don't see Yuki Nishino getting a host invitation because she was 16th at Japanese Nationals.
Some valid assertions. Where Cheltzie is the only skater from Australia I tend to think she will get an assignment. Skaters like Gizmo, Tugba, Na Young always get GP assignments and I have to think the countries they represent have something to do with that. Plus, Cheltzie did well at Worlds.
Agree about Nishino, Fujisawa will likely get assignments instead of her, she has already done 2 seasons on the JGP.
As for Czisny, yeah, she doesn't have a coach, I thought she had retired b/c she signed on as a cast member of SOI, but then in a video she was talking about her programs so who knows. If she does continue, I tend to think she will get 1 GP and a senior B, possibly 2 GP if the second is SA, but the USFSA would probably be better off giving the host spot to a young up and comer like Gao or Maxwell, IMO.
Several news outlets have reported that Skate Canada Int'l 2010 will be held in Kingston, Ontario. The way Skate Canada chooses its hosting cities can be puzzling sometimes. That city has a tiny airport with very little commercial traffic and is some 2.5 hours from the nearest major international airport in Toronto. Not to mention, the city itself is tiny with very little hotel capacity. With almost all other GP countries selecting major cities/capitals as their hosting city, Skate Canada has a way to underwhelm potential visitors by picking a location in the middle of nowhere.
Anyone got any news on TEB? Usually I'd have bought all my tickets by now, but they still haven't announced a location and there are rumours about no more Eric Bompard, the event being in Georgia or Italy...?
was?? Gran Prix in Italy? what rumor?
^^I've vaguely seen that rumour around too, but I thought it was for next season? Hasn't there already been a preliminary statement by the ISU about the dates etc about the GP? It would seem very weird to change the COUNTRY of that GP now. As far as I can remember this time last year I didn't have much information about TEB either.. The event website was up very very late and I think tickets were available a couple weeks before the announcement of the line-up; so that should be soon if this year's the same. As far as location is concerned; I guess Bercy is a pretty safe bet for now.
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