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    it seems that the article stated that because the show Thin Ice didn't follow the rules for Isu--it would Invite Only Pro Skaters to the show

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    yeah, it definitely looks like "rules" = money in this case.

    Joannie seems to have gotten caught between the greed of the ISU and the greed of ABC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodhiyel View Post
    IIRC, the rule used to be that a skater lost eligibility if they competed in an unsanctioned competition. Joannie is not competing, only skating an exhibition. The ISU is behaving tyranically, which is nothing new. When there was an attempt to form a rival global figure skating organization, the one to which Joe refers in this thread, it was quashed by the ISU threatening to ban any ISU member who became a member of the new group, from all ISU events. That would have meant career suicide for the skaters, so the effort to form a new group fell apart. Basically, the ISU is apparently a completely self-serving organization devoid of any moral compass. But that's not news.

    ETA: Searched the Net to find the exact title of the new organization that sank beneath the waves. The Net seemed mostly scrubbed, but I found one article that gives the title (WSF = World Skating Federation) and a lot of information, except I think it leaves out the ISU threats that were available online at the time. It was not only skaters that were to be banned, as I recall, it was judges, etc. After that, people back-pedaled like crazy to save their jobs. The federations fell into line, and it got very quiet. I always wondered why no one sued the ISU for Restraint of Trade.
    Thanks Dodhiyel for getting name WSF when I was saying WSO. Just couldn't remember. It was an exciting time in DC 2003 when the strike took place outside the arena while the fans inside were booing Cinquanta, and that toe tapping judge. It was a hoot.

    Every year, new and young skating fans come about and are clueless as to what roles the Feds and the ISU are up to as long as they have their 'artistry'. It really is difficult to mobolize the fans. It's sad that the ISU is more interested in disciplining figure skaters than they are disciplining cheating judges.

    Janetfan brought up the possible money angle which could be a factor in a payoff by ABC to allow the ISU and Joannie to have the competion and show go forward.

    I wonder what the budgets are for the Feds and ISU? and the perks?

    I would not have any qualms about 2 Figure Skating Orgs running different championships and have a grand contest at the end of season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodhiyel View Post
    I always wondered why no one sued the ISU for Restraint of Trade.
    IIRC they tried and the case was thrown out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodhiyel View Post
    IIRC, the rule used to be that a skater lost eligibility if they competed in an unsanctioned competition. Joannie is not competing, only skating an exhibition. The ISU is behaving tyranically, which is nothing new. When there was an attempt to form a rival global figure skating organization, the one to which Joe refers in this thread, it was quashed by the ISU threatening to ban any ISU member who became a member of the new group, from all ISU events. That would have meant career suicide for the skaters, so the effort to form a new group fell apart. Basically, the ISU is apparently a completely self-serving organization devoid of any moral compass. But that's not news.

    ETA: Searched the Net to find the exact title of the new organization that sank beneath the waves. The Net seemed mostly scrubbed, but I found one article that gives the title (WSF = World Skating Federation) and a lot of information, except I think it leaves out the ISU threats that were available online at the time. It was not only skaters that were to be banned, as I recall, it was judges, etc. After that, people back-pedaled like crazy to save their jobs. The federations fell into line, and it got very quiet. I always wondered why no one sued the ISU for Restraint of Trade.
    Unless I'm mistaken, sports organizations (like sports leagues, etc.) are exempt from antitrust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadia01 View Post
    Unless I'm mistaken, sports organizations (like sports leagues, etc.) are exempt from antitrust.
    Therefore. the ISU is a Monopoly.

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    Skate Canada not the ISU is responsible for providing a sanction to allow Joannie to skate in "Thin Ice". The event is not an ISU sanctioned event (not suprising as it is a TV show using primarily pro skaters). It is the TV shows responsibility to apply for the sanction not the skaters. The ISU representative clearly stated it was Skate Canada's decision (as per the ISU's rules), he also added that he did not personally know why Skate Canada had not provided a sanction. There is no indication of the ISU pressuring Skate Canada other than Mr. Hersh's conspiracy theory speculation.

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    Thanks, Toni, Nadia, Joe, and sk8rdad for the additional information.

    Sk8rdad, it looks like there was a "clerical error" by Skate Canada, then. I think that the ISU is already cognizant of how easy it is to make a "clerical error", as they themselves have stated that they made one recently regarding the number of skaters allowed in an event from a given country. They therefore have ample cause to forgive this other "clerical error", made by Skate Canada, is it not so?

    If they made an exception in this case, by giving a sanction to the show now, then everyone could be happy. Joannie could do a memorial skate for her mother, without losing her eligibility, and the ISU could look less like a villain in a 19th century play, throwing out the widow and orphan into the storm. Unless, of course, the ISU *wants* to look that way. Maybe they do. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodhiyel View Post
    Thanks, Toni, Nadia, Joe, and sk8rdad for the additional information.

    Sk8rdad, it looks like there was a "clerical error" by Skate Canada, then. I think that the ISU is already cognizant of how easy it is to make a "clerical error", as they themselves have stated that they made one recently regarding the number of skaters allowed in an event from a given country. They therefore have ample cause to forgive this other "clerical error", made by Skate Canada, is it not so?

    If they made an exception in this case, by giving a sanction to the show now, then everyone could be happy. Joannie could do a memorial skate for her mother, without losing her eligibility, and the ISU could look less like a villain in a 19th century play, throwing out the widow and orphan into the storm. Unless, of course, the ISU *wants* to look that way. Maybe they do. We'll see.
    Quotes from William Thompson CEO of Skate Canada reported today that indeed the ISU has objected to Rochette performing on "Thin Ice". With a now legitimate source confirming this I will happily berate the ISU for poor behaviour in this particular case. There is a big difference between a skater being prepared to compete two full programs at a competition and skating an exhibition performance.

    While I don't think the ISU needs to sanction the TV event they do need to lighten up on threatening their members. Skate Canada should be allowed to make the decision and the ISU should graciously accept Skate Canada's decision.

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    The ISU has granted permission for Joannie to skate and Skate Canada has also given the green light.It was announced today.

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