Kevin has a really fast rotation in the air...I think it's more dynamics than power.
Last edited by colleen o'neill; 03-22-2010 at 12:03 PM.
Forget the quad - will anyone continue to show us the mighty "finger?"
Will such arrogance be missed - or is the sport better off without it?
Also worth considering is if Joubert is on - will his "pelvic thrust" score higher pcs than Jeremy or Patrick's elegant choreo, bladework and more sophisticated IN?
Is the future of skating in N.American/Asian skill - or Euro theatrics?
The quad is only one jump- and yet we see the CoP still rewarding monster pcs to certain quad jumpers who are ordinary at best in most other skating skills.
I hope a certain judge sent out another bunch of emails reminding judges about the rules and scoring fairly.
Wishing all of the guys good luck - and hope the judging is fair.
What is this with the regions to separate the skating and skaters? Isn't Johnny Weir lack of transition? Doesn't Brezina have transition too? Is transition everything?:sheesh: For your information, Jeremy Abbott doesn't have transition either when he jumps the quad. We'll see what transition Patrick Chan could use next season when he said that he'll put a quad in his program.
So you think that the Inman's method worked?
Last edited by jennylovskt; 03-22-2010 at 03:29 PM.
Skaters like Jeremy, Dai and Patrick are showing intricate CH and use transitions. Even Evan does this. Plushy and Joubert do not. Lambiel jumps quads but still manages to show real CH and IN.
I hope Inman's message had an effect - because all he did was remind judges to be FAIR.
Sorry - do you prefer bogus marks for elements not done and for cheating the scores?
What is real CH and IN? Your standard?
Obviously that you think Inman's email helped to shape the result or you won't suggest to have another round of such rediculous, extreme measure.
Last edited by jennylovskt; 03-22-2010 at 02:09 PM.
You've actually brought up a question I've been wanting to ask. Okay, so it's too much to ask to have complicated transitions into a quad. But does that mean a skater must have ordinary or no transitions into every other jump?
Jeremy has gorgeous transition into his triple axel.
I dunno, if it's such a huge deal that a skater wins gold without a quad maybe they should just make it required element. It's not.
Evan practiced his quad but it wasn't consistent enough to put it into his program and he wasn't required to. Neither was Dai but he chose to attempt it anyway. I respect him for that but I also think there are many, many other things to love about Dai's skating, and I would not have been upset if he won the OGM without a quad.
Stephane Lambiel is a gorgeous skater who does a quad. But he can't do a triple axel. If he had skated perfectly and won would people have crucified him for winning an OGM without being able to do a jump that men have been doing for decades?
Maybe the quad should be worth more - to the point which it would basically be "required," at least for a shot at the podium. But then maybe Dai wouldn't even have been on the podium while other, lesser, skaters who did land a quad - or quads - in Vancouver would have medaled. And that wouldn't feel right with me at least.
What you seem to miss - is that Inman sent an email and asked for judges to be fair. What should we do - shoot a judge for such a radical suggestion? For you to be against Inman shows that you approve of cheating for your favorite quad boys. Inman wanted fair scoring - and yet you object
I think back to NHK - the SP when Jeremy and Brian skated clean. Somehow - as if the judges were blind - or knew NOTHING about skating - Joubert got higher pcs than Jeremy.
That is a good example of what Inman was talking about. Don't give certain skaters high marks for mediocre elements. Or high marks for transitions that don't exist. Or for CH that is subpar, or for IN that basically ignores the music.
You seem to disagree with that - but I don't.
Evan has it all - that is why he is Olympic champion. But as the Belgian judge agreed - Evan has the best PE. He is a great competitor. His jumps are not crooked in the air and he has CH from start to finish of his program. Evan won because he had a better team, that understood the CoP the best. Dai did not win because he probably skates for a different reason. I like both and thought either one deserved to win. I did not think the kiss blowing, pelvic thrust skater with no 3F and bad 3Lz's and level 1 steps who ignores the music deserevd more than bronze.
Who we like is subjective. But having fair scoring should always be important.
Plushenko having no 3F is worse than the Gold Medal winner not having a quad? LOL.
Evan beat Plushy on TES - which considering how many wonky jumps Plushy had - plus the fact that Evan did one more triple - and has better spins and better steps seems to justify that score.
I thought Plushy was overmarked again on TR, CH and IN and even SS.
Despite how Mishin said skating was going backwards without a quad - I could clearly see that Evan was the more modern looking skater. Plushy seemed to be skating in a timewarp and his CH and IN looked like it was from the 90's.
But despite my opinion - the fact is that if Plushy would have had better execution he would have won because his pcs were still inflated.
Actually stephane's skate covers up for any no triple axel he doesnt do, i dont mind because his skate is UP like a balloon in the sky comparing to most skaters.
Last edited by seniorita; 03-22-2010 at 03:46 PM.
Stephane is one of my all-time faves and I would have been thrilled to see him win even without the 3a. Who cares when he has so much else going for him?
And I would have been thrilled to see Dai win whether he landed a quad or not and I WAS thrilled that Evan won.
I do find it exciting when a guy lands a quad but I certainly watch skating for much more than that. The quad, for instance, was only one of the many many reasons why I loved Yagudin. If I cared mostly about the quad, my heart would have been with Tim Goebel at Salt Lake City because he landed three. But Yagudin is all time favorite men's skater and Goebel, though I appreciate him, doesn't make my top 10.
Who among us thought Goebel was a superior skater than Yags? I bet few.
Daisuke, Takahiko, Brian, Kevin Reynolds, Sergei, Javier and Ryan.