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    I have been looking at the judging thread and if that is correct then Canada, Italy, Great Britain and France will all have NO judge in Dance. Russia and US will. That also should be factored into handicapping the results [which the article again totally ignores - who writes this?]

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    I definitely expect K&N to do a lot better here than in Vancouver, especially because their FD will have some more miles on it by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover View Post
    I have been looking at the judging thread and if that is correct then Canada, Italy, Great Britain and France will all have NO judge in Dance. Russia and US will. That also should be factored into handicapping the results [which the article again totally ignores - who writes this?]
    I do not believe where the judges are coming from makes a difference any more, in the computer random picking. That is history. One judge cannot influence the outcome. I don't pay attention to this issue at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herios View Post
    I do not believe where the judges are coming from makes a difference any more, in the computer random picking. That is history. One judge cannot influence the outcome. I don't pay attention to this issue at all.
    This is sarcasm, right? Just look at the results from last year's worlds to see how much the judging panel influences results.

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    Can you give us an example? The only one I can think of is the 2009 FD. There was a Canadian judge but no American judge on the panel. Had they been switched, I think we might have seen D/W on the podium instead of V/M (as the 0.04 difference is miniscule, and a change of one GOE by one point or one PCS score by one level/0.25 might have been enough). But when it's that close, changing the judge could definitely have an affect

    That said, I don't think their was a Canadian judge at the Olympics for the OD or FD and V/M won those by huge scores, getting multiple tens on the PCS (four) and straight threes on all three lifts. Most people think it's a D/W vs V/M race for gold, and a three/four way race for bronze, and I concur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Can you give us an example? .
    That's easy - look at last year's worlds. No American judge. Take out the Russian judge and replace him with an American judge. Do you really think Domnina/Shabalin would have won gold with that mistake filled performance if there was no Russian judge on the panel? Do you really think an American judge would have placed them first?

    [and I also agree that Davis/White might have got the bronze if an American judge was there]. Judges have a big influence on results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post

    That said, I don't think their was a Canadian judge at the Olympics for the OD or FD and V/M won those by huge scores, getting multiple tens on the PCS (four) and straight threes on all three lifts. Most people think it's a D/W vs V/M race for gold, and a three/four way race for bronze, and I concur.
    There was a Canadian judge in the OD but not FD (no American or Russian judge in FD either)...so the FD panel in Vancouver was most fair.

    btw the americans didn't have a judge last yr so its only fair, i guess Canada has none...besides the German judge who sat on the CD and FD panels in Vancouver gushed about V/M after their skate, if he's on the Worlds panel they'll be ok.

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    I dunno. How much can one judge change the results? Third and fourth were so close so I can buy that, but 1.2 points separated D/S from B/A. I'm genuinely curious, especially since the top and bottom marks are thrown out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover View Post
    That's easy - look at last year's worlds. No American judge. Take out the Russian judge and replace him with an American judge. Do you really think Domnina/Shabalin would have won gold with that mistake filled performance if there was no Russian judge on the panel? Do you really think an American judge would have placed them first?

    [and I also agree that Davis/White might have got the bronze if an American judge was there]. Judges have a big influence on results.
    No it was not sarrcasm. One judge didn't make the difference between D/S and B / A either. B/A lost to D/S in each segment. You guys will hang onto the conspiracy theories forever, until your skaters will win. Give it a break
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    B/A beat D/S in the OD in Los Angeles. I hope you don't mean me in general (conspiracy theories). I do think one judge can make a difference in 0.04 (the difference between D/W and V/M).

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