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    I can't remember where I read it, but I'm under the impression he'll try to continue at least until next year's Worlds (Tokyo). After that, I believe he'll probably retire. I don't think he's going after the gold in Sochi, but that he wants a World gold at least.
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    Because the scores are so close, I feel that Dai is giving it away to others if he goes for it because he'd be most likely not to land it. He has to wait for others to make at least two mistakes. If he does not try, one mistake by others would be enough. In either way, he has to be totally clean in other elements.

    Re: Mao's three 3As, the media said that she was willing to go for "love suicide with 3As."

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    Dai skating last in the LP is a double-edged sword. On one hand, he will know whether or not to risk the quad based on earlier skaters' clean/imperfect programs. On the other hand, the nerves of going last might get to him... Does anybody know if he's started landing the quad with any success at practices?

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    I didn't see this thread-looks like Takahashi is being torn three ways. Quad flip -never done, quad toe loop-he falls, no quad -feels he didn't do his all

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    He might avoid it

    I just watched his interview and he was like "I'd think until the last minute which quad I do or whether or not I should avoid it."

    Personally, I hope he leaves it out. It may be "manly" that he believes it important that the male Champ has to have the quad, but I also think it "manly" when the skater accepts what they can or cannot do and do their best within their capacity. Let's face it, despite the media hype, you've heard only a handful landings reported since January. That's nowhere near you can include it in a program and even if he lands it at this particular comp, it seems more like a fluke. If he wants to lose the comp just because he does not have it, he should go for it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Re: Mao's three 3As, the media said that she was willing to go for "love suicide with 3As."
    Is that why you believe Mao would have gone for 3A(s) while she was having such a difficult time with it, even if she could win the gold without it yet would not even make the podium by blowing it?

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    It's not just because the media puts it that way.
    There are several things that I often hear in Mao's interviews:
    1. She wants to be "perfect" or make "no mistakes."
    2. She wants to improve and challenge herself every year.
    3. How much she feels strongly about 3A.
    4. She wants to win OGM.

    Also, not only 3A has always been in her program, but also there has been some addition to that, such as steps going into 3A (06-07), two 3As in LP (08-09), and then 3A in SP (09-10).

    When she was in a great slump earlier this season, ppl suggested that she should ditch the heavy programs and the three 3As plan. But she was like "If I give up, what I have worked for last season and earlier this season are going to be in vein." That's what Dai said around the Olympics, too: If he gives up the quad, what he had worked for throughout the season is going to be in vein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by key65man View Post
    Is that why you believe Mao would have gone for 3A(s) while she was having such a difficult time with it, even if she could win the gold without it yet would not even make the podium by blowing it?
    She couldn't win the gold without it, she wasn't even close to winning the gold with THREE, and she wasn't having problems with it at the time of the Olympic games, all three were ratified so....
    Mao with no 3lutz and no 3-3 has zero chance of beating Yuna barring some metldown from the Queen, she can't just do flip, loop, and toe and expect to win a medal of any color, and so she does the 3a, because she can and it will help her win a medal.

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    In practice this morning (Thursday) Takahashi tried both 4T and 4F. Neither was successful that I saw. 4T was closer than 4F. During his run through he put 3F as the opening element. Probably was supposed to be 4F but he aborted it.

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    Glad to hear that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    It's not just because the media puts it that way.
    There are several things that I often hear in Mao's interviews:
    1. She wants to be "perfect" or make "no mistakes."
    2. She wants to improve and challenge herself every year.
    3. How much she feels strongly about 3A.
    4. She wants to win OGM.

    Also, not only 3A has always been in her program, but also there has been some addition to that, such as steps going into 3A (06-07), two 3As in LP (08-09), and then 3A in SP (09-10).

    When she was in a great slump earlier this season, ppl suggested that she should ditch the heavy programs and the three 3As plan. But she was like "If I give up, what I have worked for last season and earlier this season are going to be in vein." That's what Dai said around the Olympics, too: If he gives up the quad, what he had worked for throughout the season is going to be in vein.
    In Vancouver, Dai had to try a quad in LP to win the gold with Plushy finishing ahead of him in SP. This time, the situation is different, which is why I was willing to give him credit for it instead of thinking that he is doing sort of lip service or saying it for publicity. And, I hope he doesn't try a quad this time. He deserves the championship and doesn't need to risk it.

    As for Mao, all the reasons you gave do not suggest that she would have tried 3A in Vancouver if she could win the gold without it. Well, at least, you don't sound having too big an issue with practicality of it.

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    Go, Dai! Save the quad for FS.

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    Dai said with the Flip there's not as much movement as the toeloop so he doesn't have to think as much. Also some jumps he had trouble with in practice, but in actual competition and doing the flow of the program he is confident (SP morning practice he had some trouble but pulled off another brilliant EYE)

    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Go, Dai! Save the quad for FS.
    dun do the quad! j/k, hehe whatever decision he's satisfied with I'm happy.
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    I might try quad Lutz later today.

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    In Vancouver, Dai had to try a quad in LP to win the gold with Plushy finishing ahead of him in SP. This time, the situation is different, which is why I was willing to give him credit for it instead of thinking that he is doing sort of lip service or saying it for publicity. And, I hope he doesn't try a quad this time. He deserves the championship and doesn't need to risk it.

    As for Mao, all the reasons you gave do not suggest that she would have tried 3A in Vancouver if she could win the gold without it. Well, at least, you don't sound having too big an issue with practicality of it.
    No, I don't really.
    Plush, Dai, and Joubert basically said that they want a quad in the champ's performance. Mao does not say things like that, but just does 3A at almost every comp.

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