Ohh OK I never knew that.Originally Posted by miki88
Sorry. The Japanese program left me under the impression that it was Mao's idea all along, and that TAT didn't think it was a good idea. I thought Shiz + TAT was a bad combination as well. I was thinking more on the lines of Kulik and Yags. By "her top students" I actually meant students who were able to shine with her spit and polish.
A silver medal is damn big what they have accomplished, even with a bronze medal.
Tarasova's skaters almost always have terrible costumes, so I think that's definitely one problem that can be laid at her door. Mao's costumes were fine when she was with Artunian. So was the choice of music and choreography.
The original post sounds like "Tat should be credited with any and all good results, but never blamed for any bad ones." That's not the way the world works.
Last edited by colleen o'neill; 03-26-2010 at 01:09 AM.
Do you really think Mao doesn't have veto power over her costumes?
Mao is so narrow-minded, like a typical Japanese female. She wants to live only in Japan. She is so scared to live overseas. She has to learn the foreign language. No way! She will stay at home and will see her coach only few weeks a year. Does this girl really believe she will ever win anything with such mentality?
Olympic Silver medal ain't too shabby.
In the case of Tarasova, she is not to blame for everything that has gone wrong for Mao. But she's certainly to blame for those awful programs. (In Arakawa's case, the part time relationship with Tatiana didn't work to well either). This doesn't mean though that Tarasova isn't a good coach or choregraphy, but this year her choregraphy has not been that great. (Accept for Leonova's short maybe). But I agree that Tarasova's best students come to her with the great jumps in place. Its a lot easier to take a student with great technique like Yagudin and polish him up. In many ways Yu-na fit the profile of the students that Tarasova is most successful with than Mao did.
This is totally unfair generalization.
Yes, but why do you define a typical Japanese female like that? Take Miki for example, who has decided to train abroad.
I think it shows how narrow-minded said poster is.
Just being a racist and/or sexist.
To the racist person above who said that she would never win anything like this - actually, she just won something - world championships. Not too bad.And she did it coachless (again).
I do wish that she'd get a real coach next year (one whom she sees every day in the rink), but Mao is extremely talented and is clearly capable of winning even when she places herself in adverse conditions.
How the heck do you know what a "typical" Japanese female thinks like?
Re; Mao's costumes...I don't know that I would say Mao had no veto power...perhaps she had some..but I think it's fair to assume she didn't have a lot. She may have been presented with 2 or 3 designs to choose from , or something like that..and she may not have had even that much input. I seriously doubt that she was free to go outside to a designer of her choice..Skaters who have gone to Tarasova in the past appear to have gone for the whole package, and I think it's not just for what they think they can gain from her technically, but politically as well.I doubt they wanted to go to her because she gave them access to the most beautiful costumes.
If she accepts them as students ,I think they're expected to accept her expertise in all areas.How else would you explain the fact that almost all of her skaters have had bad costumes ? They can't all have the same poor taste or judgement as far as costumes go... e.g.; remember the hideous change in Shae and Victor's costumes as soon as they went to her ?...Sasha is the only one who seems to have resisted somewhat, but she always had her own strong ideas about costumes, and had previously designed many of her own, IIRC.
I think it's just put to them that she can help them achieve better results, but they need to put themselves in her hands and trust her guidance in all matters. This is ,after all ,only an exaggerated example of what any coach does. Only Morozov's and Linichuk's skaters have an equally noticeable costume "brand" , with equally unflattering results.
Last edited by colleen o'neill; 03-28-2010 at 12:25 AM.
Well, looking back at the season, it seems like Mao did pretty well under TAT?
I mean 2nd place at Olys (which some may argue should have been much closer call), World Champ. You can't really get any higher than that, can you?
There is nothing TAT could have done with the jump arsenal Mao had coming in this season against Kim. So I say that the strategy of relying on 3As did work out perfectly for her. I remember how much criticism was directed at TAT for that at the beginning of the season. I also think much softer lyrical programs might not worked out for Mao this season. She needed a big bang to stand out and that's what they tried to do with those programs. Not that I liked them but it worked in the end.
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