Joubert is doing one bigger jump than mostly everyone else. That's only one jump and it's shouldn't stop him from having transitions. It certainly shouldn't stop him from having better and more intricate choreography.
All they had to go by was a hunch. But once told that Joubert admitted having errors on spins and steps sequences and even his jump combo wasn't as smooth as the other 2 in the post-SP conference, I bet you many of these same "experts" you quoted would be suddenly and quick to change their take because they'd be amaze how much sway the Quad actually hold to keep Joubert's TES on top despite those misses.
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In English, it refers to the last noun referenced, which is the word "base" in this case. In other words, your sentence can be re-written as Currently base is 4.3
I think I read you more than correctly. Just admit you made a gaffe and move on, it's not a big deal, nobody requires you to know the point table by heart in order to participate here. It's legitimate question that reasonable people can disagree. It is what is though, just as you can find some skaters who said it's undervalued, there will be tons other who disagreed. And all those opinions are valid. The point is these numbers aren't derived by some amateurs as you first implied and that I am insistant that you take it back because that's quite disrespectful towards the men and women who worked on the IJS project to get us where we are today.
2. I don't think I took your initial comment out of context. I do believe that Poodlepal was being sarcastic. I have no such read on you, so I asked you to explain.
3. Following the list wallylutz posted, where do you feel Joubert was scored incorrectly with SS?
4. Who has the best spin in the world? Who has the best jumps (and you can break that down and go technique and consistency if you want)?, Who has the best footwork? Who has the best program (because it's "definitely not" Joubert. He was overscored. period). Realistically, you're gonna come up with two or three names for each, and maybe one or two skaters will have more than one slot. But if you think Chan's just average in the top six, then we'll have to agree to disagree, again.
doing quad should relieve TR a bit. So TR score should factor into a program with quad. Say you do 5 transitions + quad should get you the same score as doing 7 transitions + no quad.
Joubert interpretation to his music, performance and executation are also better.
One quad without anything else is not enough. one quad with everything Joubert did should put him ahead of Patrick Chan by a comfortable margin. That's what I meant to say.
I recall myself not a great fan of Joubert's skating and discounted his other elements than jumps before. But I think that he has improved a lot in his other elements such as spins and steps, transitions, choreos, interpretation, and costuming. This program was more memorable for me than Chan's, Abott's, Koz's, and Oda's SPs, even though I generally tend to prefer classical skating.
BTW - I hope Rachael has fixed up the jump problems she had in Vancouver (yea - they had bad air position, were all borderline ur and had some scratchy landings).
I have a hunch this is the last we will see of Rachael - atleast as a serious contender - so I wish her all the best. Maybe she will skate her way to bronze - or even Silver if Mao falls down.
Since Mirai is the better skater and will be around for the next few years I do hope Rachael does her best. She is NOT my favorite skater but I certainly think she is a nice girl. It would be kinda sweet if she ended her competitive career with a World medal.
The whole thread has been about 4.3 points difference between the 3F-3T and 4T-3T. Suddenly out of nowhere you started attacking me saying I didn't know what I was talking about because I said 4.3 is the base value for the quad. Follow the thread before sounding off.
Also, all the names I mentioned said base value should be higher. You couldn't even name a single person who didn't say it and you kept on saying I interpreted their non-verbal language.
So for that you're in the ignore list because whatever you will say just wastes my time responding.
Last edited by FlattFan; 03-25-2010 at 01:55 PM.
Mirai interpretation was pretty bad. When I watched her doing Carmen, it's about as bad as the Zhangs doing Scheherazade. Her step sequence in both SP and LP were a lot more simpler compare to Rachael's.
Laura had skating skill, but that was that.
Base on what they did at the Olympics, I would put Rachael in front.
If they were all at their absolute best, I would put Rachael behind Miki and Mirai and in front of Laura. Remember, at the Olympics Rachael was at her best, the other 3 weren't.
Re: Patrick and his edges
When I said my original quote about Patrick's DEEEP edges, I was mocking a little on Paul Wylie, who was carrying on and on about them. I have no doubt that Patrick is the skater's skater, with his superior edges and transitions. Good for him. No doubt he'll get many medals in years to come. He is pretty to look at when he is clean. Actually, although I'm making fun of him, I liked his skate better than Daisuke's this time around. If he's clean, they can reward his edges as much as they want, I won't complain.
The problem is: figure skating is failing as a spectator sport when things deep edges, underrotations or flutzing, (which mean little to non-skaters or seriously avid fans)seem to count more than jumping and falling. If two people skate clean, and the one with the deeper edges gets the nod, OK. But when someone like Chan, who messed up noticeably in Vancouver is put ahead of someone like Johnny who skated clean (to the naked eye), or ahead of Brian here, who did a harder jump in a TECHNICAL portion of the contest, many people will get mad. They will question the judging system, and they will eventually stop watching. And I think that's why people get so annoyed with Patrick. He's not doing anything wrong, but he's benefiting from flaws in the judging system.
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