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dlgpffps

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Mao's Skate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR0vtqC9so4

I'm sorry, but her axel looked good to me

Thank you. What a great skate. That step sequence is always something to behold. The first thing that struck me though is how much Mao has thinned. Someone please feed the girl. Did she just get thinner than she was in Vancouver? I don't know how she jumps with such skinny legs. I can't say much about the 3A because technical probing's not my forte, but I'm guessing it would've been ratified had the technical specialist been less strict. Nadia01 said this specialist is known for being particularly strict. I guess that's it?
 

#1Kerryfan

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Just got out of class and went to ISU to see results. Mirai in first and Yu Na Kim in SEVENTH? WOW. That's a shocker. I wonder if I read the results right...... did Yu Na fall or something?
 

Mrs. P

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PROKOFIEV

Technical excellence with all elements from jumps to step sequences + artistry + speed, she is probably fastest skater right now + good programs + nice spirals.

That's what she has. She didn't show it all right now, but we all know that.

I don't love her spirals, but I have to say they've improved over the years. I just remember watching her at junior worlds..godness..she couldn't hold it for more than 2 seconds. But I think there are other skaters who have better sprials, Mirai, for one.

But if you're going to say something like "but other people do a 3-3" fine. But what people praise her for isn't that she just does a 3-3 it's how she does it. She like goes like 20 feet and both jumps have great height. Other combos people tend to underrotate the second jump or make it much smaller. That's a money combo. :)
 

dlgpffps

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Actually she didn't water it down to 2A-2T

They DG'd her 3A, which then made it a 2A, then said her 2A = 0.

That's very interesting. What's the standard procedure? I always thought DGed triples in combination in the SP were still counted. My hunch is that ISU has no official rules, perhaps some wishy-washy ones open to interpretation. Why give so much power to the technical specialist? Why not put it down on stone? Weird.
 

Mrs. P

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Just got out of class and went to ISU to see results. Mirai in first and Yu Na Kim in SEVENTH? WOW. That's a shocker. I wonder if I read the results right...... did Yu Na fall or something?

Yes..shocker is probably an understatement. Got a DG on her 3F, zero points for a botched layback spin and missed a segment of her spiral (resulting in a level 1). :(
 

Daniel5555

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Mao's 3A looked absolutely OK to me, by the way. Don't know, have to take a look at it later :)

wallylutz
Yes, she could. However, the poster I quoted seemed to think somehow Nagasu is the only one who is not vulnerable, which is just crazy talk, hence I had to point out no one is invincible.
I think he was talking about being at the podium. She looks strong, that girl. It's not like others are inferior to her, but she looked stronger than others. And Yuna is vulnerable right now, Mao too considering that her consistency is always a question. But those two also can surprise us every time...
 

Nadia01

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That's very interesting. What's the standard procedure? I always thought DGed triples in combination in the SP were still counted. My hunch is that ISU has no official rules, perhaps some wishy-washy ones open to interpretation. Why give so much power to the technical specialist? Why not put it down on stone? Weird.

Prolly the tech panel had a bad day or something. I remember Tat protesting that very strongly b/c she said Mao shouldn't be penalized like that. That's where she did so badly that she lost any chance at making GPF Tokyo.
 

volk

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Why Mao's score is so low? She had better scores at Olympics sp.
 
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#1Kerryfan

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Yes..shocker is probably an understatement. Got a DG on her 3F, zero points for a botched layback spin and missed a segment of her spiral (resulting in a level 1). :(

Wow. I never saw that coming.......
I'm not a fan of Yu Na and think she's overrated, but you do have to feel bad for someone when everyone's expecting you to do well and you make mistakes like that. I haven't heard of anyone making mistakes like those on the layback and spiral. Gotta feel bad for her.
 

mishieru07

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That's very interesting. What's the standard procedure? I always thought DGed triples in combination in the SP were still counted. My hunch is that ISU has no official rules, perhaps some wishy-washy ones open to interpretation. Why give so much power to the technical specialist? Why not put it down on stone? Weird.

I hope Speedy gathers all the judges, tech controllers and the respective panels for the various disciplines and work out a common set of standards. Moves legal in one competition and potentially illegal in the next, skaters suddenly getting music deductions ... it's getting too much.

But then again, it's Speedy. Not going to happen.
 

TT_Fin

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Hih, I just replayed Laura's program; it was possible on our own national channel without commentators. The reason to that mistake in axel was overrotataing and when she went off the ice first thing her coach asked her if she was going to try 5A.
 

#1Kerryfan

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Gotta feel bad for the Japanese ladies, too...... they've been the strongest country in women's skating for a few years now, and now it's a fight to keep three spots. Reminds me of the USA after 06 Olympics. Thank God for Mirai and Rachael.
 

dlgpffps

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Yes, she could. However, the poster I quoted seemed to think somehow Nagasu is the only one who is not vulnerable, which is just crazy talk, hence I had to point out no one is invincible.

No one's invincible. Yu-na has proven that herself. It's so weird to see Yu-na in 7th... It just seems surreal.
 
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Mrs. P

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Wow. I never saw that coming.......
I'm not a fan of Yu Na and think she's overrated, but you do have to feel bad for someone when everyone's expecting you to do well and you make mistakes like that. I haven't heard of anyone making mistakes like those on the layback and spiral. Gotta feel bad for her.

Yes. She just had the ultimate Olympics hangover. Seriously when was the last time an OGM decided to compete at Worlds afterworld? I think 1992 with Kristi, right? There's probably a good reason for that.

Someone posted that it was very difficult to train after she won. She said that she really didn't get going until about a week before the competition. I don't know though...Pang and Tong took three weeks off from training and they did fine....but perhaps they actually had time off. I get the feeling that Yu-na's been all over the place.
 

Daniel5555

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Mrs. P
I don't love her spirals, but I have to say they've improved over the years. I just remember watching her at junior worlds..godness..she couldn't hold it for more than 2 seconds. But I think there are other skaters who have better sprials, Mirai, for one.
I didn't say that she has the best spirals, she just has them and they are nice. Mirai is better at them, yes.

But if you're going to say something like "but other people do a 3-3" fine. But what people praise her for isn't that she just does a 3-3 it's how she does it. She like goes like 20 feet and both jumps have great height. Other combos people tend to underrotate the second jump or make it much smaller. That's a money combo.
She has an above average level with every element she does, including single jumps and step sequences. And even her spins have nice ice coverage and speed. So technically she is much stronger than most of other skaters, she is almost perfect with everything except spins and, well, she doesn't do 3A and 3L, but the 3L is missing not because of technical problems.

So that's why she is so outstanding, it's not just 3-3. Then she is also a great artist and has very good programs.
 

Nadia01

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Yes. She just had the ultimate Olympics hangover. Seriously when was the last time an OGM decided to compete at Worlds afterworld? I think 1992 with Kristi, right? There's probably a good reason for that.

Someone posted that it was very difficult to train after she won. She said that she really didn't get going until about a week before the competition. I don't know though...Pang and Tong took three weeks off from training and they did fine....but perhaps they actually had time off. I get the feeling that Yu-na's been all over the place.

Right after the Oly, she was basically ordered to go to Korea to attend some ridiculous Presidential luncheon w/ 2BM, and then she had to return to Toronto right after that. She had to go even tho she explained that it's a lot of travel 4 weeks before the World Competition b/c I heard a lot of conflicting stories -- at 1st, they said she explained the situation w/ time zone & so on and declined, but later she accepted ,etc. etc.

Basically she was used by the loser 2MB who isn't all that popular (low & crummy approval rating). She stayed in Korea for 2 days and flew back to Toronto. Then she caught a cold after that.

Combine all that w/ the lack of motivation, etc. it's not totally surprising she didn't do very well.
 
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mylastduchess

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Hmm if the tech specialist is that strict... I worry that Mao will get DG on her 3A tomorrow and potentially lose 10 points
 

pokky_oc

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She gained 2kg according to the media!! They said it might affect her jumps but I guess not!! She's like 50kg I'm guessing now!!! She was 48kg in Vancouver!
 

seniorita

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ok just two things to ask, first of all can somenone explain me MAo's score, was her axel Ur or something?? I missed something else?? Then the downroad began, by far the worst event i ve attended, we were all discussing that this is the revenge to the good Olys. And Yuna, people went shocked, ok she missed spin, spiral, wonky one landing, but isnt her score down enough??
Mirai thanx god was the sunshine in the rain, adorable, cute, graceful, just bravo!
the rest later, we run for ice dance! Dont wait much I only like young italians, fabian/natalie and kers,i m just going for fun now!
 

breeze

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I had a busy morning and missed the SP completely. And wow, the results are very surprising!
Yuna in 7th - I couldn't even imagine that. I didn't have a chance to watch it yet, but was it that bad? (Not that 60 points is terrible but it definitely is much lower than her avg score.) I think her GPF SP got 65 points when she had DG in 3-3 and popped 3F. And she got 5 points lower than that? AFAIK, she has NEVER been off the podium since her novice years in any international competitions. Hope she regains her strength and fight back hard in the LP. Maybe I shouldn't expect her to have 2 clean LPs in a row but at least I hope she doesn't make these weird mistakes again.

I'm glad for Mirai (she's certainly building reputation as a great SP skater), Mao (she's had 2 decent SP skates in a row), and MJ (she made it to the LP).
Wishing all the girls best of luck for the LP!
 
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