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    Quote Originally Posted by hikki View Post
    Has anyone got score details? I was hoping Icenetwork to release it but all I found was this.
    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/artic...&vkey=ice_news

    This mentions Mao's DG, but no mention of Mirai's. I guess Mirai's 3/3 was ratified? That wouldn't be fair and I'm a Mirai fan.
    Why? It was fully rotated and please don't tell me a JAPANESE specialist would favor an American!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscariot View Post

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    its not about a favor, the judges have a diferent side of the camera to loor for UR, probaly on theirs it look good, but here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcKKB29Bjpo (5:02) on replay it seems UR

    but whatever its not the first time this happen to ANY other skater

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    The caller Poetzsch-Rauchenbach is known for her UR calls, and she sure gave lots of them in the SP. I bet there'll be lots more in the FS. That will benefit skaters like Lepisto and Kostner who aren't known for getting URs.

    Mao won't be helped at all if P-Rauchenbach downgrades both of her 3As in the FS. Because Nagasu is in first place after the SP, she has an advantage over the other skaters in that one UR won't hurt her much if the other ladies are also getting dinged.

    Ando hasn't been impressive this season. She's been skating on autopilot nearly all the time, and she hasn't been consistent with her jumps, either. Being 15 points behind Nagasu, 13 behind Asada and 5 behind Kim won't help her chances a bit.

    It's hard to read Flatt at this competition. Did she know about the UR-happy caller, and is that why she left out her 3/3 in the SP? She isn't exactly out of it, since the SP has never been her strength, but she must deliver in the FS to have any shot at the podium and keep her top-6 placement. She will have to rely on iron nerves and consistency and just go for it in the FS.

    Kim has to bring it on if she wants to defend her World Championship, and she is definitely NOT out of it. If she can deliver 95% of what she did in Vancouver, she could seal the deal.

    Lepisto and Kostner have to land all their planned jumps to have any kind of edge, and neither one is known for consistency, especially Kostner, who is far more apt to meltdown than to skate clean. Also, Kostner has never skated well in her home country because her nerves get to her worse than usual.

    Phaneuf is another headcase, and it doesn't help that the entire weight of saving two spots for 2011 rests on her shoulders alone (she MUST make top 10 overall).

    Makarova doesn't have a reliable lutz, and she's about 50-60% on her flip. She was 10th in Vancouver after being 12th in the SP and 9th in the FS. She won the Russian championship, when the younger girls with the big jumps failed to deliver in the FS. At the JGPF, Makarova was 3rd after the SP, but faded to 4th in the FS.

    Leonova hasn't looked like the cocksure lady of 2009-2010 this season. She seems to be hesitant and doesn't attack. Maybe it's the presence of Makarova (who was nipping at her heels in Vancouver) and maybe it's the knowledge that if she doesn't impress the Russian Fed at 2010 Worlds, there are younger and stronger skaters waiting in the wings.

    Sebestyen, Helgesson and Gedevanishvili are not strong enough skaters to challenge for a top 6 placement. Akiko Suzuki could have been a challenger, but it's pretty tough to come back from an under-50 SP---especially from the first flight to skate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscariot View Post
    its not about a favor, the judges have a diferent side of the camera to loor for UR, probaly on theirs it look good, but here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcKKB29Bjpo (5:02) on replay it seems UR

    but whatever its not the first time this happen to ANY other skater
    I hate that. There is only one camera angle they use to check for URs. That the judging seems so hot and cold must be very hard on all the skaters' psyches.

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    I rewatched Mirai. I'm still adamant that her combo was fully rotated. The blade does wobble a bit since she is unsteady, but it does look all the way around..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    The caller Poetzsch-Rauchenbach is known for her UR calls, and she sure gave lots of them in the SP. I bet there'll be lots more in the FS. That will benefit skaters like Lepisto and Kostner who aren't known for getting URs.

    Mao won't be helped at all if P-Rauchenbach downgrades both of her 3As in the FS. Because Nagasu is in first place after the SP, she has an advantage over the other skaters in that one UR won't hurt her much if the other ladies are also getting dinged.

    Ando hasn't been impressive this season. She's been skating on autopilot nearly all the time, and she hasn't been consistent with her jumps, either. Being 15 points behind Nagasu, 13 behind Asada and 5 behind Kim won't help her chances a bit.

    It's hard to read Flatt at this competition. Did she know about the UR-happy caller, and is that why she left out her 3/3 in the SP? She isn't exactly out of it, since the SP has never been her strength, but she must deliver in the FS to have any shot at the podium and keep her top-6 placement. She will have to rely on iron nerves and consistency and just go for it in the FS.

    Kim has to bring it on if she wants to defend her World Championship, and she is definitely NOT out of it. If she can deliver 95% of what she did in Vancouver, she could seal the deal.

    Lepisto and Kostner have to land all their planned jumps to have any kind of edge, and neither one is known for consistency, especially Kostner, who is far more apt to meltdown than to skate clean. Also, Kostner has never skated well in her home country because her nerves get to her worse than usual.

    Phaneuf is another headcase, and it doesn't help that the entire weight of saving two spots for 2011 rests on her shoulders alone (she MUST make top 10 overall).

    Makarova doesn't have a reliable lutz, and she's about 50-60% on her flip. She was 10th in Vancouver after being 12th in the SP and 9th in the FS. She won the Russian championship, when the younger girls with the big jumps failed to deliver in the FS. At the JGPF, Makarova was 3rd after the SP, but faded to 4th in the FS.

    Leonova hasn't looked like the cocksure lady of 2009-2010 this season. She seems to be hesitant and doesn't attack. Maybe it's the presence of Makarova (who was nipping at her heels in Vancouver) and maybe it's the knowledge that if she doesn't impress the Russian Fed at 2010 Worlds, there are younger and stronger skaters waiting in the wings.

    Sebestyen, Helgesson and Gedevanishvili are not strong enough skaters to challenge for a top 6 placement. Akiko Suzuki could have been a challenger, but it's pretty tough to come back from an under-50 SP---especially from the first flight to skate.
    Very well said, couldn't have said it better. ITA 100% with everything you said about everyone on your post. Thanks for saving the work for me. Keep writing your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    The caller Poetzsch-Rauchenbach is known for her UR calls, and she sure gave lots of them in the SP. I bet there'll be lots more in the FS. That will benefit skaters like Lepisto and Kostner who aren't known for getting URs.
    With Frank Carroll's quote in the NYTimes about how politics cost his skater (Linda Fratianne) the gold at the 1980 Olympics (Poetzsch-Rauchenbach won the gold), it is very interesting that another one of Frank's skaters (Mirai) would be one of the skaters that didn't get a DG from her. Probably not connected and she wasn't the MAIN technical specialist, but still interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    The caller Poetzsch-Rauchenbach is known for her UR calls, and she sure gave lots of them in the SP. I bet there'll be lots more in the FS. That will benefit skaters like Lepisto and Kostner who aren't known for getting URs.

    Mao won't be helped at all if P-Rauchenbach downgrades both of her 3As in the FS. Because Nagasu is in first place after the SP, she has an advantage over the other skaters in that one UR won't hurt her much if the other ladies are also getting dinged.

    Ando hasn't been impressive this season. She's been skating on autopilot nearly all the time, and she hasn't been consistent with her jumps, either. Being 15 points behind Nagasu, 13 behind Asada and 5 behind Kim won't help her chances a bit.

    It's hard to read Flatt at this competition. Did she know about the UR-happy caller, and is that why she left out her 3/3 in the SP? She isn't exactly out of it, since the SP has never been her strength, but she must deliver in the FS to have any shot at the podium and keep her top-6 placement. She will have to rely on iron nerves and consistency and just go for it in the FS.

    Kim has to bring it on if she wants to defend her World Championship, and she is definitely NOT out of it. If she can deliver 95% of what she did in Vancouver, she could seal the deal.

    Lepisto and Kostner have to land all their planned jumps to have any kind of edge, and neither one is known for consistency, especially Kostner, who is far more apt to meltdown than to skate clean. Also, Kostner has never skated well in her home country because her nerves get to her worse than usual.

    Phaneuf is another headcase, and it doesn't help that the entire weight of saving two spots for 2011 rests on her shoulders alone (she MUST make top 10 overall).

    Makarova doesn't have a reliable lutz, and she's about 50-60% on her flip. She was 10th in Vancouver after being 12th in the SP and 9th in the FS. She won the Russian championship, when the younger girls with the big jumps failed to deliver in the FS. At the JGPF, Makarova was 3rd after the SP, but faded to 4th in the FS.

    Leonova hasn't looked like the cocksure lady of 2009-2010 this season. She seems to be hesitant and doesn't attack. Maybe it's the presence of Makarova (who was nipping at her heels in Vancouver) and maybe it's the knowledge that if she doesn't impress the Russian Fed at 2010 Worlds, there are younger and stronger skaters waiting in the wings.

    Sebestyen, Helgesson and Gedevanishvili are not strong enough skaters to challenge for a top 6 placement. Akiko Suzuki could have been a challenger, but it's pretty tough to come back from an under-50 SP---especially from the first flight to skate.
    Good insight. And Akiko isn't 5 points below Yuna, she's 12 points below her! At least she made the FS! Most people did kind of bad in the SP apart from Mirai, Mao, Laura, Ksenia, and Cynthia. I think there will be a lot of shuffling of spots come tomorrow. It ain't over til it's over, it would be silly to underestimate Yuna and Miki, they are feisty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatemom1122 View Post
    Why? It was fully rotated and please don't tell me a JAPANESE specialist would favor an American!
    Nobody brought favourism up until you did. Judging from how the technical caller & specialist DG-ed Mao's 3axel which looked clean to me, I would be surprised if Mirai's 3toe, which appeared slightly cheated, had been ratified. If you read my earlier post I mentioned Shin Amano, the technical specialist's reputation so I'm well aware of his nationality.

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    I just hope Akiko makes another 7 triple program as she use to do, PCS will be good and she can help Japan to get those 3 spots

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    Quote Originally Posted by hikki View Post
    Nobody brought favourism up until you did. Judging from how the technical caller & specialist DG-ed Mao's 3axel which looked clean to me, I would be surprised if Mirai's 3toe, which appeared slightly cheated, had been ratified. If you read my earlier post I mentioned Shin Amano, the technical specialist's reputation so I'm well aware of his nationality.
    Well, judging by Mirai's 70+ score, it seems that her toe was ratified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscariot View Post
    I just hope Akiko makes another 7 triple program as she use to do, PCS will be good and she can help Japan to get those 3 spots
    I have faith in Akiko and Miki. I'm just glad nobody pulled an Oda! Well I guess Marianne sorta did but she didn't pop all her jumps.

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    By the way, anyone know where to go to on the Universal Sports website to watch the promised full replay on demand videos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    I have faith in Akiko and Miki. I'm just glad nobody pulled an Oda! Well I guess Marianne sorta did but she didn't pop all her jumps.
    I think it's a different situation since Marianne was not a well known skater like Oda was.

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