I think Miki should have won bronze, but silver would have been too much, regarding her SP. I am fine with Yuna getting high PCS in spite of her mistakes, because differences in presentation and technical merit are the reason we have TES and PCS. I also think they were a bit too high this evening, but not that much that she should have lost silver. Don't forget that everybody in front of her after SP made mistakes in the LP too, except Mao.
Yuna took her defeat with much more style I would have credited her, regarding the Eurosport interview she gave after her SP. She abandoned the spoiled little princess behaviour and showed that she can fight. Kudos for that.
I am very very happy for Mao, and I think it is a blessing for ladies skating that she won. Thinking Yuna may have won and got ridiculously overscored for the next four years up to Sochi just depressed me.
Last edited by viv; 03-28-2010 at 08:43 AM.
Mao was really wonderful. I cant believe she can do those axels and keep her focus for everything else. Most men struggle with the axel. Unbelievable.
Miki skated the best I have seen her all year. I guess skating order affected her scores, although I know it shouldnt. I thought she would medal.
Yuna had a "Ive fallen and I cant get up" moment. I thought she did not skate like a champion. I dont mind that she made mistakes, but that giving up attitude stinks.
Laura was beautiful, but 3 doubles and a medal? She needs to talk to Mao about focus...
Nonetheless, the point I was trying to make was ... why you guys keep saying that Yuna with two mistakes should have gotten much lower PCS than Mao while failing to explain why Mao with 2 mistakes got 6 more points on her PCS than what clean Mirai got at the Olympics.
Why can't Yuna get 3 more points than Mao while Mao can get 6 more points than Mirai who cleaned her LP?This FS, she had a fall and poped a jump and with 'pulling what the heck m doing here after poped jump' and still get 66+??
Are you insinuating that so called "most peoples" think that Yuna's scores were fixed by judges at the worlds?This is what most peoples are skeptical about the judging!
If you believe that judges didn't follow the guidelines correctly in order to place Yuna in a higher position when they scored Yuna, then we are in for a conspiracy. If so, I hope you have very convincing evidences. Otherwise, you will be remembered as just a basher or hoax. Remember it takes more than a couple of judges to pull it off under the current judging system. Besides, what kind of benefit would judges gain by moving Yuna up the chart?
The same argument applies here. How can a skater, with 2 mistakes, get 6 more points than another skater with clean skating?Even in the Sp, a clean Mao can't beat badly skated SP, even by junior standard is less than one point?? Yuna PCS should be even lower than Calrolina!!
The bottom line is ... you have to remember we have two scorings - TES and PCS. How much of a failed element should be reflected in PCS score is something to be debated separately. I believe there should be some kind of guidelines about it and Yuna's score was evaluated according to the guidelines fair and square IMO. If you think otherwise, then it is going to be really ugly. Do you want to really go there?
KYN owns the ice right now, and last thing ISU want to do is piss her off and make her retire.
She is the crowd attendance and TV ratings, things that matter a lot to $peedy and the gang.
If you are a Japanese Asada fan not liking the status quo, you should go to a near by slot machine joints and lose whatever you have so Japanese slot machine operators can beef up their sponsorship money to $peedy.
Who knows? If you lose enough money, Asada might start getting all her 3As ratified.
Aside from business, KYN does more than enough to justify her scores.
Simply put, she scored 130 in Turin while making 2 mistakes, whereas she scored 131 making 2 mistakes in LA last year.
So WTH is the problem?
Some of you complain about her fall, but I'm amazed by your short memory, failing to remember that she flew across the ice moment after the fall and nailed a friken 2 point GOE triple Lutz.
BTW, Laura Lepisto won her bronze medal by looking fecking hot on ice, but she wouldn't had a chance if she wasn't better than Ando in most aspects other than jumps.
Last edited by RumbleFish; 03-28-2010 at 09:46 AM.
Oh, that lousy KYN, failing so badly only winning a feckin silver medal.
I wouldn't say the situation was similar to Kristi's.
Kristi did not gave a performance of her life in Albertville, and the Worlds was in her home country.
She obviously at that time had more to prove than KYN has right now.
I don't know whether it had any influence in her showing up at the Worlds, but Kristi had less endorsement contracts than even Kerrigan IIRC.
Last edited by RumbleFish; 03-28-2010 at 10:30 AM.
Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm aware of Kristi.
Look, I don't want to make any point. This is just addressing that ridiculous arguments about Yuna's legacy being low or that Yuna and Mao both combined are nothing compared to Michelle, based on how much medals they have. I just want to show how stupid it is.BTW, you are not behaving like a coach. You are fulfiling your job description as a YuNa fan. Seriously, tracking down MKs records, just to make a point that it took MK 10 years to win 4 more comps than YuNa's 4 yrs. (i.e. you are saying age and time adjusted YuNa is so much better than MK right) I am a MK fan and I don't even know how many comps she won.
I don't want to count juniors because, I am not sure, but in that case the number of Yuna's gold medals may surpass the number of Michelle's gold medals, which is stupid and may suggest that I try to prove something against Michelle which is not true.And if you are looking at a skater's legacy, why can't their jr and novice records be counted
Also I don't think that juniors really affect the skater's legacy. What really affects it is the actual performances and Michelle has more great performances than Yuna, she has more moments that are historically important. There are no doubts about this. At the same time I think that the best performances of Yuna are better than Michelle's, but that is just my opinion.
I think that every fan of Yuna should respect very much, at the least, Michelle Kwan because she is the biggest inspiration for Yuna. 1998 Olympics were especially important for her and that it wasn't good program is absolutely not true. So I really can't underestimate how great Michelle Kwan is... I think that Yuna Kim actually can be considered Kwan's legacy too which only adds to how really historically important she was, inspiring not only American skaters, but skaters worldwide.
But at the same time I think that Michelle's fans also should consider Yuna, because she is the favorite skater of Michelle Kwan. And if there is any successor to Michelle Kwan, that's Yuna Kim. Maybe it's not that clear historically, but it is very true if we consider how popular Yuna is in her country, how memorable her performances are and her spiritual connection with Michelle Kwan.
I'm not sure, but I think that Michelle Kwan was skating with pain for several years near the end of her career. You must know better, if you are her fan. I may be wrong here, but I think that she had to overcame pain each time she skated. Yuna, as far I know, is skating without pain (but she was feeling pain some years ago). She already has her back which seems to be the risky zone for the rest of her life and I don't want her to risk her health or feel any kind of pain for some legacy or other stupid ****.Where on earth did you come to the conclusion tht MK had serious health problems b/c she competed too much??
I don't count her out, but Midori was the first one of the first generation of Japanese skaters. Mao may inspire a lot of skaters, which she probably does and it's wonderful, but that won't be the first generation. Yuna, however, will be the same as Midori Ito, but for Korea.Huh?? Ito inspired many skaters in Japan, so did Yuka Sato (who BTW has much less medals than Mao). You can never count Mao out as an inspiration to future generations of Japanese skaters.
I think, it was Ito.Ito inspired many skaters in Japan to go for the triple axel, because she is one of the first (really don't remember whether Ito or Harding landed the triple axel in comp first).
I noticed it too. I think it had red colour, so it was not ice. Don't know what it was.BTW, there was something on the ice when Mao skated. The Japanese commentator mentioned that during her steps. I was also distracted by that object. What was it? Was it a chunk of ice?
Last edited by Daniel5555; 03-28-2010 at 10:40 AM.
I was replying to Cooper who put past olys champ down by not "having guts" to return to worlds after olys.
Last edited by rtureck; 03-28-2010 at 10:53 AM.
I said Kristi had much more to prove by competing in the Worlds than KYN, especially the Worlds was in her home country.
I didn't say a thing about location or logistic of competition.
I mentioned Kristi's modest endorsement deals post Olympics to emphasize that she was underrated at the time, and didn't say a thing about KYN's commercial activities.
You can babble about your crap discussion as long as you'd like for all I care.