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    There's a beauty contest going on here

    Here's one of my favorite pictures of Queen Yuna

    http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/it...7c9358076e.jpg (She does look like a model here)

    And here's Princess Mao (so innocent)
    http://tokitama.tumblr.com/post/430125398/mao-via-nepia

    Both are attractive in their own ways.
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    i just darted over to YouTube, and the first soprano I heard was singing the beginning of the Polovetsian Dances from Alexander Borodin's opera Prince Igor. Is that the part you meant?

    If memory serves, later on a choir sings the Russian National Anthem, but I'd have to check back to confirm.

    Edit: Thanks for linking to the photos of YuNa and Mao. Both are officially gorgeous! Beyond that, I don't think I could choose. As with their skating, thank goodness we have both to admire!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Wait a minute! Isn't that you in your avatar picture?
    I might have wished, back in my conflicted adolescence. I'm not as pretty as her, but I've settled into contentment with myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    There are actually people in this world who think YuNa is plain? And they think this while they're looking at her? She couldn't be plain with a paper bag over her head.

    Mao is also very attractive, but to me, what stands out most is her expressiveness. She's got a true actress's face. When she smiles, I feel like smiling. When she's into the music, she shows it with her face as much as with her posture.
    On the one hand, there are people saying YuNa's smile is...??? And then others accusing her of having had plastic surgery. A careful look at her features would prove those accusations false. She has retained the same features from her more awkward, younger years.

    http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9776/72074370.jpg

    http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1443/45374337.jpg

    Now a bit of a secret is that my mother--a Korean nationalist--has a preference for Mao's appearance. When Mao puts her hair into the severe bun for skating competition, her oval face isn't framed in the most flattering way (I know, I have an oval face, too.) But when her hair is allowed to flow loosely, she really is very beautiful.

    http://media.photobucket.com/image/m...ld_asada23.jpg

    I am really annoyed when things like art or music or styles are put into some sort of ranking as "the best", and the same as far as human beauty goes. There are many different, awesome types of music; and there are many ways in which people can be beautiful. You can give me two people with very different features and I can find them both very attractive; I don't think someone needs to have those kinds of eyes or that type of nose or just a certain body type to be good-looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
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    Thank you so much for your detailed review! It was very fun and enjoyable to read.
    I've been following this very long thread though silently, and was kind of sad because I felt that there are more than enough unnecessarily agressive (IMO) comments. I think fans sometimes fall into bifurcation when they have a favorite, i.e., gush about her and bash her competitor(s). (In Yuna/Mao's case, I think this also has something to do with the fact that they have very different styles. Maybe I'll have a chance to post on this after giving it some more thought.) Yet, you seem to be one of the posters who are able to really appreciate each skater without belittling anyone. Looking forward to reading more of your reviews in the future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    There's a beauty contest going on here

    Here's one of my favorite pictures of Queen Yuna

    http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/it...7c9358076e.jpg (She does look like a model here)

    And here's Princess Mao (so innocent)
    http://tokitama.tumblr.com/post/430125398/mao-via-nepia

    Both are attractive in their own ways.
    The link for Yuna doesn't work for me, but Mao is really beautiful in those photos. However, I think they both are very, very attractive young ladies.

    And I don't know if it's the ice, the cold, or what, but why do all figure skaters have such beautiful, flawless skin???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    You are probably right.

    But I hope not.

    If the program component scores for each skater are fixed at the beginning of the season, why go through the charade of seating judges at the scoring table at all? And why would anyone want to watch such a "competition?"
    When I stated that "kind of fixed," I meant that PCS fluctuates much less than TES does during a season. A couple of pops and falls can really hurt your PCS but I think it is very unlikely that someone will screw up one's PCS big time if we assume that technical fault does not affect PCS much.. When a skater messes up an element, it may cost 10 points in TES but I don't think it will cost more than a point in PCS. That's why I stated that it is "kind of fixed" for the duration of a season.

    Anyway, I am really sorry that I wasn't clear about it and might have wasted your time.

    I disagree.. Even if the choreography is the same on paper, in one performance a skater might be successful in communicating the spirit and nuances of the choreography to the ice, and in another performance, not so much. In one performance the musical interpretation comes shining through, in another it falls flat.
    I totally agree with you but, in my opinion, once a skater masters choreography and interpretation, it is really hard to screw them up if we assume that a technical mistake doesn not affects PCS a lot. I think that if a skater messes up an element, people think that it affects PCS as much as it affects TES.

    I am curious to know how it is possible for a skater to mess up (shining through) choreography and interpretation all of sudden. I have seen skaters' performances throughout a season but I hardly ever noticed any noticeable changes in how successful they were in choreography and interpretation.

    Maybe my eyes are not so sophisticated enough to discern any differences. I hope if someone can educate me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    i just darted over to YouTube, and the first soprano I heard was singing the beginning of the Polovetsian Dances from Alexander Borodin's opera Prince Igor. Is that the part you meant?

    If memory serves, later on a choir sings the Russian National Anthem, but I'd have to check back to confirm.
    I'll check Polovetsian Dances later. But if you meant the soprano in the fabulous costume, standing on a moving globe just after the ballet dancers show up, then yes. Thanks for answering so promptly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    I am really annoyed when things like art or music or styles are put into some sort of ranking as "the best", and the same as far as human beauty goes. There are many different, awesome types of music; and there are many ways in which people can be beautiful. You can give me two people with very different features and I can find them both very attractive; I don't think someone needs to have those kinds of eyes or that type of nose or just a certain body type to be good-looking.
    I agree. I once had a classmate who preferred Caucasian beauties, especially those found in fashion magazines. He didn't understand me when I said I also found beauty in strong features and darker skin. Or the Rubenesque figures found in paintings. That loveliness and charm could also be found in freckles, slanted eyes and snub noses.

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    When I stated that "kind of fixed," I meant that PCS fluctuates much less than TES does during a season. A couple of pops and falls can really hurt your PCS but I think it is very unlikely that someone will screw up one's PCS big time if we assume that technical fault does not affect PCS much.. When a skater messes up an element, it may cost 10 points in TES but I don't think it will cost more than a point in PCS. That's why I stated that it is "kind of fixed" for the duration of a season
    And I HATE this about the system. Before under 6.0 came the concept that if someone made multiple errors that affected the flow of the program. That not only should the Technical marks be effected, but the Presentation marks should be effected too. I actually thought this was a correct assessment. Now a slight error is one thing but messy programs is truly another. Now this concept doesn't exist at all and so you have skaters packing in their program with difficulty. Showing forth really poor execution, and getting huge PCS no matter the fact that their program(s) had some really glaring errors. It really bothers me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    And I HATE this about the system. Before under 6.0 came the concept that if someone made multiple errors that affected the flow of the program. That not only should the Technical marks be effected, but the Presentation marks should be effected too. I actually thought this was a correct assessment.
    Well, as a matter of fact, if someone makes multiple errors that affects the flow of the program, it not only affects the Technical marks but also the Presentation marks as well under the current CoP system, even though it may not affect the Presentation marks as much as you like.

    Even though how much an error should affect PCS is somewhat debatable, I think it is not that important as long as the rules are applied the same across all skaters.

    Now a slight error is one thing but messy programs is truly another.
    How would you define "a slight error" and "messy program?" if I am allowed to ask.

    Now this concept doesn't exist at all and so you have skaters packing in their program with difficulty. Showing forth really poor execution, and getting huge PCS no matter the fact that their program(s) had some really glaring errors. It really bothers me.
    If a skater got huge PCS despite "glaring errors," then maybe the skater's performance was so much superior than others that the skater - even with a huge markdown due to the errors - was able to get higher PCS than others ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtureck View Post
    I totally agree that Mao finally did Rach's prelude in c sharp minor justice. Not sure if this is TT's choice or Mao's choice. But this is a very tough piece of music to skate to. This piece of music kind of has a tortured history. At Rachmaninoff's time, it was sooooo popular with audience that he was asked to play this piece in every concert, At one point Rachmaninoff hated the piece, and regreted that he composed the piece. TT may know about this aspect of the piece, why did she chose that for Mao??? The music is very unforgiving to skater, and difficult to intrpret, unlike Gershwin. It reminds me of Michelle's 2000-01 LP music song of the black swan. All season I was wondering why on earth did Lori choose such an almost unskateable piece for MK? But when Michelle finally conqueored the piece at worlds (and she had to put up with the airline losing her costume, and a broken heel on her skate), it made her win so much more special. Same for Mao here, ppl may say that she is not interpreting this to full potential, but I think she skated this as good as any skater can. I don't think even Michelle can interpret this piece better. I think TT intended to challenge Mao artistically just like Lori tried to challange MK with song of black swan. Mao lived up to this challenge, that does not mean her intepretation is the best or she intrepret the piece to full potential. But until some skater in the future who can do prelude to c sharp minor better justice and win a world gold, dare I say this piece is kinda Mao's signature piece, or at least prelude in c sharp minor is a memorablel milestone in her development as an artist .
    Didn't know about the background story about prelude to c sharp minor. Thank you that was very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtureck View Post
    Anyway my all time favorite spiral in a competitve program was Divakawa's at olys 2006. .
    Awww Arakawa's 2006 spiral!!!! It was special wasn't it. The beautiful edges, positions, carriage, sensitively to the music... It is to this date the most beautifully performed CoP spiral, evah!

    P.S. I remember Michell's Song of the Black Swan. She made lots of changes to the choreography from Skate America (I loved that version the best, chreography wise) to Worlds but yes at Worlds (in Vancouver- was it the same venue as the olympics?) she was just fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
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    Thank you I enjoyed your report very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    There are actually people in this world who think YuNa is plain? And they think this while they're looking at her? She couldn't be plain with a paper bag over her head.

    Mao is also very attractive, but to me, what stands out most is her expressiveness. She's got a true actress's face. When she smiles, I feel like smiling. When she's into the music, she shows it with her face as much as with her posture.
    Totally agree with all
    And I also miss Irina's smile sometimesShe could be so calming as a big sister!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel5555 View Post
    I would really like if you would stop writing **** which comes from your rectum that is directly connected to your brain.
    But look at her. Her efforts in smiling wouldn't even count for you average degenerate model.


    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel5555 View Post
    Michelle is great by herself, but naturally I come to like her even more because Yuna likes her.
    lols! Rabid Yu Na fan detected who can't even spell her name correctly. Don't you like her arms and shoulders too?

    As I said. Her biased fans just makes her so much more ugly.

    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    Forget "standards"- personally I'm not that crazy about either of them...

    Still, beauty is a subjective matter and there should NOT be such "standards". Your cup of tea is not my cup of tea, let's just leave it at that
    Um read up RD. Subject was whether Yu Na was a beauty because she was well appreciated in South Korea or not. Which was wrong.

    Now standards:

    Yu Na is not ugly but she has no say in the average South Korean babes inc.

    Mao is not a babe in any standard. She can pass as cute though. Think of how she looked like when she discovered she won Worlds in Gothenburg. Cute!

    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Yuna is beautiful IMO and she def does not have the body of a 13 year old boy. Yuna, despite being so thin, actually looks like a woman on the ice compared to some of the other skaters who look like little girls. Yuna's skinny but she has curves and the ideal body shape, nice hair, clear skin, and beautiful eyes...what's not to love?
    lol lololololl have mercy!

    She has curves like the ideal body? Ppppppppuuuuuuuuuuuliiiiiiise.

    She looks like her husband was an anti-feeder for gods sake. You're not exactly helping the heavy model movement. haha

    She is daaaammm fine figure skater, yes. But can we keep it real here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel5555 View Post
    I think in some ads, like Nike's, she is actually mostly without a makeup. Of course the photographer does some job, but it's pretty much what we would see in the real life, except that in the real live she looks much better than on photos, according to all the reports I know about
    I think, some, mostly. Dude!

    You have no idea at all. Stop acting like you have any real facts here.

    You want us to believe that a professional photo of a cute girl is not photoed, fixed, make-upped or in any other way retouched?

    She earns money to sell cute photos in magazines and tv ads. The team has a paycheck that says they must make her look the best in all ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    There are actually people in this world who think YuNa is plain? And they think this while they're looking at her? She couldn't be plain with a paper bag over her head.
    Funny you said so because that is exactly what happened. Yu Na can come to the worlds with no inspiration to compete and with "a bag over her head" she can fail the SP and fall on the LP and convey no true feelings for the audience and still be the toughest to beat. Mao ONLY won because Yu Na failed and by that she just slightly won.

    So in theory Yu Na can practically skate with a bag over her head i.e. conveying zero feelings and still win with her technical marks.

    The tragic is that a bag over her head makes absolutely no difference to me as she delivers no true feelings stemming from her skate. It's all glued on smile out of place.
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