Ladies - LP

[chachacha]

Yuna wants to be remebered as one of the greatest skaters of all time and she already has accomplished that. She is the only lady to skate the best programs ever in history of the olympic game. Her world record scores are also there. So, she will be remember as a greatest skater ever unless some skaters can break her record. I didn't mean to disrespect, but I really don't see any current skaters that has the potential or ability to do that.

[seniorita]

I havent been that happy since Euros Men. And I thought I would never be happy for figure skating after Vancouver! But this Worlds was like made for me, Mao and Takahashi are what i would ask for.
I celebrated with pistache ice cream!

Now shall I dare ask why the program of mao gets less points than yuna with such mistakes? They are both great skaters, they just dont have that big difference. Just an observation!

Mirai is the joy of life, if she keeps like that she will be the next MK(the Kween is one, just saying) , she skates and gets in your heart, when i was watching the program I was laughing because I remembered Mathman's comment in Olys that she is Carmen's little sister!
The rest later, we will celebrate the Wolrds in Torino by night!

[rtureck]

Let's look on the bright side.

Congrats to Mao and the rest of the girls.
This must have been a very difficult competition for everyone.
I think ISU should seriously consider getting rid of the Worlds in Olympic years.

I don't think ISUshould get rid of worlds in olys year. Skaters shouldn' make excuses of being tired forpoor world performances after olys . If they are tired then they should take a page from Lysacek's book and go for dancingwith the stars. I am sure if any olys medalists want to skip worlds there are plenty of skaters from their country who want to have a world experience.
BTW, all gold medalists in worlds are also olys medalists. Aren't they supposed to be as "tired" as the others?

[Daniel5555]

rtureck

Skaters shouldn' make excuses of being tired forpoor world performances after olys .

I agree with you, but no one made excuses.

I am sure if any olys medalists want to skip worlds there are plenty of skaters from their country who want to have a world experience.

If the country has "plenty" of skaters, sure

BTW, all gold medalists in worlds are also olys medalists. Aren't they supposed to be as "tired" as the others?

Of course. But also some are more tired than others... They can't be equally tired

[janetfan]

janetfan

LOL
She will be remembered. She didn't say "I want to be Michelle Kwan". Or "I want to have 7 World titles.". She even said that she won't win the Olympic games that she won.
Mao Asada, for example, is not like that at all. She wants to have high scores and win everything. Completely other personality. She is amazing her own way.

So her "countey" and "fans" are to blame?


That is not my concern. If Yuna retires, Mao will be the Queen of figure skating for next season.


Well, Yuna has no obligation to think about your categories, since she has 3 Worlds records and so much medals.


Very original.
This either about what someone like you want since your opinion has no consecuences at all.


Man, you have problems. Who cares about this? The history is history and no one knows how it will turn out. Yuna doesn't have to do anything besides she already did. She will be remembered.

Whining? Oh man, watch yourself... You write like you're drunk.

You say alot but I have no idea what your point is.
For me , if Yuna retires now she will be remembered as a great skater. I was wondering that if Mao continues skating - and wins more medals/titles that it is Mao who may be remebered as the greatest skater of her generation. I seriously doubt if I am the only fan who might think about it that way.

And whatever you say, Yuna has said her goal is to be remembered - and she meant in skating history.
I speculate that she may need to stick around and win a few more medals/titles to reach that goal. I am sure she will always be remebered by her fans and her home counrtry as the greatest of all-time. But others - who have seen many other skaters might still be considering her place in history.

Maybe she continues - which would be great for skating - or maybe she will retire - which is her choice . About her fans /country - I think only an idiot would say they don't put way to much pressure on her. I think if Yuna does retire it will be to lead a normal life and get out of the unbearable spotlight thrust upon her. No 19 year old wants to put up with what Yuna has to - it is unnatural.

[ANW]

Greatest ever? Winning OGM is not everything, sure Kim deserved the gold medal but her scores were inflated IMO.

Yuna wants to be remebered as one of the greatest skaters of all time and she already has accomplished that. She is the only lady to skate the best programs ever in history of the olympic game. Her world record scores are also there. So, she will be remember as a greatest skater ever unless some skaters can break her record. I didn't mean to disrespect, but I really don't see any current skaters that has the potential or ability to do that.

[aurora100]

Wow, this thread could go on and on.

Good for Mao, she needed to have a win
(Mao has to wonder how the heck she can still be beaten in LP when she skated her lights out and Yuna had major errors - change coach/choreo get triple triple).
Great Silver for Yuna (Yuna has to wonder how she did all the hard jumps and missed on simple jumps (sal & 2A) and spins - is that what fatigue does?
Feel bad for Mirai - but I am her fan now - she is great skater- look forward to watching more of her;
Finally I saw a half decent performance from Kostner
And hurray for Cynthia - thank you for getting two spots for Canada!

[museksk8r]

Mao fans should be happy. She got her redemption by winning Worlds coming back from a disappointing Olympic LP skate.
Yu-Na fans should be happy. She got the one color Worlds medal missing from her collection, silver, and we got to see her skate her programs again even though she had nothing to prove to the world. She could have easily chosen to skip this Worlds, but she had the guts to compete.

Both ladies are wonderful and great ambassadors for the sport!

[miki88]

You say alot but I have no idea what your point is.
For me , if Yuna retires now she will be remembered as a great skater. I was wondering that if Mao continues skating - and wins more medals/titles that it is Mao who may be remebered as the greatest skater of her generation. I seriously doubt if I am the only fan who might think about it that way.

And whatever you say, Yuna has said her goal is to be remembered - and she meant in skating history.
I speculate that she may need to stick around and win a few more medals/titles to reach that goal. I am sure she will always be remebered by her fans and her home counrtry as the greatest of all-time. But others - who have seen many other skaters might still be considering her place in history.

Maybe she continues - which would be great for skating - or maybe she will retire - which is her choice . About her fans /country - I think only an idiot would say they don't put way to much pressure on her. I think if Yuna does retire it will be to lead a normal life and get out of the unbearable spotlight thrust upon her. No 19 year old wants to put up with what Yuna has to - it is unnatural.

Well it depends. If Mao does win more titles and if she wins the gold in Sochi, then I think she could and should also be considered as one of the greatest of her generation. For the general public, I don't think it matters much if she beats a clean Yuna or not, because they just tune in every 4 years and care about who wins the OGM. However, for skating fans it does matter a bit I guess if Yuna retires after this season and Mao realizes this so she aims to beat Yuna's score. I think Plushenko was a bit disappointed that Yagudin did retire so early and they couldn't have a proper match up again, so I am guessing it's the same for Mao.

[Lilith11]

ANW, the OGM is not everything. MK is certainly a legend even w/out an OGM. But it's not just the fact that she won the OGM, it's the circumstances under which she won it (all that pressure) and how she did it. I doubt 50 years from today, people will remember the scores so much as the performance itself. As for the score... that's subjective. I don't think they were inflated but you do. We agree to disagree. Ultimately, if anything is remembered, it will be her two back-to-back flawless performances done under extreme pressure and executed with grace, elegance, and style.

[ayayukiituka]

Yuna wants to be remebered as one of the greatest skaters of all time and she already has accomplished that. She is the only lady to skate the best programs ever in history of the olympic game. Her world record scores are also there. So, she will be remember as a greatest skater ever unless some skaters can break her record. I didn't mean to disrespect, but I really don't see any current skaters that has the potential or ability to do that.

i guess you shouldn't say " yu-na is only lady ~~" or "yu-na's programs ever~~". i know she did wonderful job at oly.
we know she is one of the most sucess figure skater.
but we have many other great medalist like peggy,kristi and midori etc.

as for her world record, she got highest marks ever in cop.
it was great. however, points is not just figure skating. i have some programs that didn't get that high marks,but i was impressed.

i have no idea any skaters will get higher points than yuna's.
anyway what i want to say is i want to see more impressing programs.

oh i don't know what to write... hope my sentences are fine.

[Mathman]

For now - Yuna is in the Kristi - Tara - Oksana category to me. Two major titles - that is all. Mao also has two major titles right now.

Just for the sake of accuracy, Kristi won two World Championships and an Olympic Gold Medal. (I guess we can't count her numerous "World Pro" titles. )

[aftertherain]

Greatest ever? Winning OGM is not everything, sure Kim deserved the gold medal but her scores were inflated IMO.

Not to spoil your party, but it's not like most people will remember her scores anyway. Do you remember what Shiz got in 06? Plushenko in 06? Michelle during the short program in 02?

Well, maybe you do, but people who only watch figure skating every four years won't. They'll just remember her as the South Korean's pride who rose up from a crappy figure skating commitee(?) to a figure skating superstar.

[ryoko]

I agree with what you are saying. And I was thinking towards the future.
Between Yuna and Mao combined - they have three WCs and two Olympic medals. Michelle has 5 WC's and two Olympic medals.

Think about that for a minute. The two greatest skaters of the CoP era combined have not equalled the Kween yet. And they have both been at it for almost half a decade.

Just saying - especially to newer fans - if you want to be like Sonja, Kati and Michelle - you need to skate, skate and skate. And win titles and medals. Then history will decide your place.

I see what you mean.
It is simply hard to accept that more number of WC/olympic medals = great skater in history, though. To me Michelle is one of the greatest skater not b/c of the number of years in her career but because of her amazing personality (greatest role model) and awesome skating skill.
If yuna retires early and if mao continues w/ her career, chance is that ppl will remember mao as the skater who simply had longer career and not necessarily "greater" skater in history (of course, mao-fans may think differently- I am speaking of general figure skating fans)

People, not just koreans, will remember yuna as a historical skater because she is the first one at this level from a country in which she almost got no support in the beginning of career. when yuna won her first junior title, people's reactions were mostly "who is she?/ how come such a skater come from country like korea (where there was barely any elite skaters)?"
Now I'm lost and forgot what I was going to say
Yuna remaining in the field and winning more medals will certainly be helpful- it won't hurt her reputation as a great skater if she decides to retire-

[janetfan]

Just for the sake of accuracy, Kristi won two World Championships and an Olympic Gold Medal. (I guess we can't count her numerous "World Pro" titles. )

Forgive me - earlier i did point out Kristi was the Last Lady to win the WC, then the OGM, and then go on to defend her WC as reigning Olympic champion.

That record is actually pretty impressive to me - something which neither Yuna or Mao has done, not to mention Oksana, Tara, Michelle or Shiz, etc.

I believe Peggy Fleming did it and maybe Dorothy too. But not many have been able to win the skating "trifecta." (consecutive WC, OGM and WC)
Not sure if Kati did it either - maybe someone knows?