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    Quote Originally Posted by hikki View Post
    I like Yuna's use of every part of her body, includng her neck, back the upper body. They're all connected.

    I think Mao is better at making prettier positions with pointed toes and stretched arms (e.g. her spiral). I don't think her body movements are as smoothly connected as Yuna's.
    ITA! Very thoughtful assessments and constructive criticism.

    Summing up, I don't think one is far better than the other. Which is why I love their rivary!
    IMHO, Yuna is far better than Mao as of now (this season) (Mao was far better than Yuna in Jr. seasons) because the positive attributes you mentioned for Yuna clearly outweigh the positive attributes you brought up for Mao. At least, judges agree with me and that is why her GOE and PCS are really hard to beat.

    All of us can just go on arguing who is a better skater but at the end of the day, we all have to rely on judges to help sort it out because they are the ones better trained to evaluate skaters as much objectively as possible. We may not like the current judging system but still I think it is much more reliable and better than our own opinions. This is just my opinion so others may disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yunasashafan View Post
    By the way, I see this as some redemption for Mao and all the effort she's put to get out of her slump. And it is very special that it happened in Torino, the site of the last Olympics for which she was a favorite but could not participate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Tara gave a great performance, and she deserved... she deser... she... (no, no, I can;t say it! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by yunasashafan View Post
    Thanks Bennett, I appreciate it I wish I could change my username to yunamaojoanniemiraiakikofan and watch the fireworks
    What a mouthful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren View Post
    What a mouthful.
    Yep! and I even forgot laura and sasha! I would add the kween but she's not competing (sasha is very unlikely too)

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    This is pretty laughable though. If Yu Na makes a failure SP and falls on her LP she might get beaten to the gold.

    Mao made a great show with that music which was awesome. She accepted that piece and stuck with it a whole year.

    And she came to the worlds with intent to win not because she was forced to.

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    I think I have to disagree about Yuna's PCS being too high.
    While Mao was brilliant, I think you can see her focused on the program like she is trying hard to execute every element. In the case of Yuna from the side it looks like it takes much less effort from her to do it and even despite her mistakes her program looked very impressive. She never gave up on this and finished it with a huge, satisfied smile. I think it's really worth all the PCS she got.

    One of the things that always surprise me is that a lot of people keep saying that the current system is not right and they always are making some ideas on how to improve it. But at the same time the same people usually say that the standings are fair. My question to them is: If the standings are almost always fair, isn't that the indication that the system actually works fine?

    In the case of Yuna, even if she makes mistakes, she almost never loses the flow. In the short program she really was out of the line and the points reflected that, but in the free skate she never lost her usual lightness and flow, and that's why she won it.

    I also agree with the third place that gone to Laura, because she is one of the most elegant skaters and I always enjoy her performance. I'm sure she deserved it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel5555 View Post
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    I think I have to disagree about Yuna's PCS being too high.
    While Mao was brilliant, I think you can see her focused on the program like she is trying hard to execute every element. In the case of Yuna from the side it looks like it takes much less effort from her to do it and even despite her mistakes her program looked very impressive. She never gave up on this and finished it with a huge, satisfied smile. I think it's really worth all the PCS she got.

    One of the things that always surprise me is that a lot of people keep saying that the current system is not right and they always are making some ideas on how to improve it. But at the same time the same people usually say that the standings are fair. My question to them is: If the standings are almost always fair, isn't that the indication that the system actually works fine?

    In the case of Yuna, even if she makes mistakes, she almost never loses the flow. In the short program she really was out of the line and the points reflected that, but in the free skate she never lost her usual lightness and flow, and that's why she won it.

    I also agree with the third place that gone to Laura, because she is one of the most elegant skaters and I always enjoy her performance. I'm sure she deserved it.
    I don't know ~~~~~~ Maybe to her fans, it does no matter what. In my opinion, she was pretty out of it after her first mistake. Mao is always focused but she also makes her elements look effortless.

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    In my opinion, she was pretty out of it after her first mistake.
    Not really... That lasted for a second after she got up, but then she continued immediately.

    Mao is always focused but she also makes her elements look effortless.
    Yeah, this time it looked much better, but still Yuna does it better.
    Their difference in PCS is around 3 points and basically it comes from Choreography / Composition and Interpretation. I think Gershwin program is better choreographically than "Bells of Moscow". Yuna does a lot of those little elements during it like "playing the piano", running, she also jumps into the salchow according to the music. Mao's program is not bad, but it's all the same, it's hard for me to remember different parts of it.
    The Interpretation is very subjective, but I guess it just comes to watch both programs and decide which you enjoyed the most. Really Yuna is not supposed to interpret anything in this program and Mao probably does well her job with that dramatic and heavy music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel5555 View Post
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    Not really... That lasted for a second after she got up, but then she continued immediately.


    Yeah, this time it looked much better, but still Yuna does it better.
    Their difference in PCS is around 3 points and basically it comes from Choreography / Composition and Interpretation. I think Gershwin program is better choreographically than "Bells of Moscow". Yuna does a lot of those little elements during it like "playing the piano", running, she also jumps into the salchow according to the music. Mao's program is not bad, but it's all the same, it's hard for me to remember different parts of it.
    The Interpretation is very subjective, but I guess it just comes to watch both programs and decide which you enjoyed the most. Really Yuna is not supposed to interpret anything in this program and Mao probably does well her job with that dramatic and heavy music.
    I meant in the the sense that the general confident spirit was not there this time, as it was in her previous performances. I gave props to her for continuing the program but something was lacking. I think it's more in the music choices that makes the difference. When Mao was doing Nocturne, she didn't really have to put much effort into interpreting it but people liked it better.

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    I was going to write my Lp experience but now I m afraid to..

    Off Lp subject, Mr C was announced before yuna's group and there was barely a clapping and some booing came from upper levels.

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    I meant in the the sense that the general confident spirit was not there this time, as it was in her previous performances.
    This is true.
    Yuna actually said that this was her hardest competition this season.

    I want to state one more thing about Yuna's scores and Mao's scores. First, about Yuna... I think that looking at how the situation is now, it's actually hard to overscore her. I mean, she always has the quality in her programs and she never really had a complete meltdown. Here she messed all the "easy" elements in her SP, but she didn't fall at any of her jumps. Even during the SA's free skate she was beaten by herself, but she fought bravely like no other.

    And then... Come on, she gave us two, probably, best performances in the history at the Olympic games. Perfect SP and perfect LP at the Olympics, that is something that even the most legendary skaters don't have... She wasn't able to repeat what Kristi Yamaguchi did, but she stands next to her coming to Worlds, competing, maintaining high level and finishing victorious at the second place. Yuna is great, there can't be doubts about it. I'm her fan, but I never would say something about her which is simply can't be true. I used before to write all her errors that I noticed firstly, and only then write good things. Cause she makes errors and even the Olympic performances can be improved. But I'm a fan of her because of what she is, I'm not trying to make her what she is not because I'm her fan.

    Now about Mao Asada. It may sound like I really underestimate her and she isn't standing up to Yuna in my opinion. But what I really think is that Mao is not performing at her full potential and her choreography is just not good. What I think really is that Mao can perform like Yuna, very effortless, very fast, and very joyful. Now imagine Mao Asada which performs with the same quality as Yuna, but with triple Axel and her amazing spins and spiral, her superior flexibility, some really good program, which has a lot of little details and great standing poses, like Yuna's Danse Macabre or James Bond medley. This is not Yuna, this just would be brutal to other skaters. That would be a massacre that only Yuna could survive.
    So I think while Mao was awesome, she can be... much more awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post


    Your follow up statement is something most posters agree with - that reputation scoring is wrong and skaters should get marked for how they skate at the event, and not on what they have done in the past.
    Yuna isn't competing with herself. She's competing with the other ladies in the field. This is a competition. She deserved first place because her skating skills are so clearly ahead of the other ladies. Everyone else seemed very similar to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figure88 View Post
    Yuna isn't competing with herself. She's competing with the other ladies in the field. This is a competition. She deserved first place because her skating skills are so clearly ahead of the other ladies. Everyone else seemed very similar to me.
    Sorry, but I was not referring to Yuna - or any particular skater with the statement you quoted.

    Was saying that skaters should get marked by what they do at an event and not by reputation.

    I thought the Worlds scoring/placements were OK. I know some don't think the Bronze was right but I had no problem with that either.
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    Seniorita, please post your report of the Ladies' long program! I was waiting eagerly for it because I so enjoyed your earlier coverage. I know I'm not the only one, either. Look how many thank-yous you received. If you're hesitant because you disagree with other posters, I hope you can overcome that. Everyone has a different point of view, and yours would be backed up by eyewitness evidence!

    So far, one other poster (that I've seen, anyway) has posted a rinkside report, and reading it made me feel as though I had been able to get a glimpse of the event. I need more, more!

    Thanks in advance. (No pressure or anything!)

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