I agree with Laura Lepisto taking the Bronze.
I thought Laura deserved bronze - but did not analyze it as carefully as you did. I did see terrific IN, CH and TR - thought she was as good or better than Yuna or Mao in those categories.
It was interesting reading what you said about the jumps - the lack of triples - and that her entire program has to be more carefully considered. Just dismissing it as "only three triples" does not give fair consideration to the CoP.
Thanks again - I will look at Mirai's LP very carefully later - still a bit bummed about it
Did anyone take a look at the crazy GOE that Yu-na got for her freeskate?
+2 for the Triple Flip (yeah it clean but not that amazing)
+3 for her level 4 spiral sequence (come on. Not even Sasha or Caroline Zhang gets that).
+.50 on the straight line step (it's only +.50 but I would not have given it a + at all. One judge gave her a +3 on it! Obviously a korean judge.)
If the GOE was not so inflated yu-na would not have won the freeskate, something she certainly did not deserve to do with that poor performance.
That Lepisto won the bronze medal at worlds with only 3 triples should be a huge vote of confidence for the Alissas and Sashas of the world and should goad them into coming back next season!
7.7 for a triple flip. I seriously think the judges need to cool it with the +GOE. That's a ridiculous score. Has any men ever gotten that score for a triple flip?
Her triple lutz is worth more than a triple axel.
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But yes, skaters with as much artistry as Alissa and Sasha could still do well in this system.
But we have to remember Laura was not falling down or getting -GOE or any urs/edge calls - and she did get credit for those double jumps.
I think Laura has really good posture, expression and choreography. She has worldclass footwork and her spins are great. That is why she deserved this bronze. Was it Laura's fault that this was enough for the bronze? No, the judges decided it. It just seems that some of you are blaming her for winning this medal. And I do not think that is fair. The judges are the same for everyone. And like everyone has said, it could have gone either way. No one had 100 % success in LP, due to the long season or what? I do not know. And I also have to mention that Laura herself wasn't 100% satisfied with her performance. She was happy for the medal, but sorry she could't do the program perfectly.
I also have to say that for me personally the jumps are not the main thing that makes a good performance, but of course they are also a part of it. You can learn to jump but presentation mainly comes from inside. I could see how Laura enjoyed performing yesterday with or without her triples succeeding. And she has already proved she can also jump. (Olympics, anyone?)
But yeah, everyone has their own opinion and there is no point continue fighting about it.
But from me: Gongratulations Laura and well done! You are a world class skater!
I think that the controversy of the Bronze Medal comes from Miki not being reward enough in the Long.
As for your comment that the new scoring system needs more tweaking, I have to agree. Notably, look at the Double Axels. The positive GOE on those Double Axels are a little crazy. Laura did two Double Axels in the second half of her programs and got some pretty big GOE points, well deserved, in accordance to the rules. Personally, I think Double Axels getting as much positive GOE potential as Triple Axels or Triple Lutz is nuts. But that's just my opinion, it's not the rules and we shouldn't be inventing rules just because we don't like it. Also, I don't think we should be gaming the rules because we don't approve either. If I was asked to evaluate what GOE should Laura get on her Double Axels, then that should be the only question in my mind, is it zero, +, ++, or +++ and why. Nothing else should enter into the consideration of that question. If the jump clearly warrants a ++, then it wouldn't be right for someone to try to mark that as + only because he/she feels there is too much GOE being given to Double Axels.
It is what it is though. Laura Lepisto smartly constructed her program to maximize her points and thus won the Bronze. In a way, she got lucky because both Phaneuf and Ando got some unexpected level downgrade on their non-jump elements. For example, if Phaneuf had received a Level 4 on her Spiral as opposed to a Level 2, she would have won the Bronze.
Thanks for your point breakdown and analysis, wallylutz. I must say though, I think some of the objection to the outcome from certain fans/posters is based on criticism of the IJS--conceptually, for example, no number of double jumps should really "add up" to a 3Axel, you know?
I did not watch all the performances. I do like Lepisto and she seemed really happy to win her Bronze, so I'm happy for her in that sense and can't say who "should" have gotten it in her stead. Lepisto has a beautiful style and carriage that stands out to me and she is my favourite European lady.
Manouk Gisman, because she actually went for all of her jumps.