Who should have taken the bronze on the ladies event?

[youtubo]

Actually, I think Lepisto deserved silver, and Kostner bronze. But there was no way the judges would keep Kim off the podium. I don't know what everyone sees in her...... I think she's the most overscored skater ever......

How about a gold for Lepisto/Kostner?

[Bennett]

Actually, I think Lepisto deserved silver, and Kostner bronze. But there was no way the judges would keep Kim off the podium. I don't know what everyone sees in her...... I think she's the most overscored skater ever......

As I think of former champions such as Mao, Shizuka, Irina, Michelle, Oksana, or Lu Chen, I must say that any of them wouldn't have been able to have a podium finish had they made the kinds of mistakes she did both in SP and LP. Is that because of Yuna's more great than any of the champs, because of the way the COP is sturecured, or because judges were generous as you suggest?

[Wrlmy]

Because this was not a well-skated event by any stretch.

[Basics]

As I think of former champions such as Mao, Shizuka, Irina, Michelle, Oksana, or Lu Chen, I must say that any of them wouldn't have been able to have a podium finish had they made the kinds of mistakes she did both in SP and LP. Is that because of Yuna's more great than any of the champs, because of the way the COP is sturecured, or because judges were generous as you suggest?

ok. then who should have taken the silver?

Laura with three triples? No. Carolina with all shaky and cautious jumps? No. Miki with barely rotated jumps and no connection to the audience what so ever? No.

So Yuna's one pop, one fall LP is such a big deal.? yeah, her SP was very diappointing, and she might have been overmarked with PCS but the gap between her and other skaters was just too big to make up for.

[miki88]

As I think of former champions such as Mao, Shizuka, Irina, Michelle, Oksana, or Lu Chen, I must say that any of them wouldn't have been able to have a podium finish had they made the kinds of mistakes she did both in SP and LP. Is that because of Yuna's more great than any of the champs, because of the way the COP is sturecured, or because judges were generous as you suggest?

Well, it does seem a bit strange, but considering how others skated as well, she does deserve to be on the podium. It could also be due to the COP, because under 6.0, judges valued clean performances much more than now, so that's why mistakes such as falls seemed so costly back then.

[Bennett]

You guys have the point. But Miki's only major mistake was the missed combo in SP and otherwise performed well overall, for example. Yuna had major flaws in flip, spin, spiral, and steps in SP and a fall and a single axel in LP. She was visibly tired and slow in the latter half. Tara pointed out about the way she got up from the fall and Johnny Weir said that she was hating to be there. Are these two skaters that different to make up for these?

[Basics]

You guys have the point. But Miki's only major mistake was the missed combo in SP and otherwise performed well overall, for example. Yuna had major flaws in flip, spin, spiral, and steps in SP and a fall and a single axel in LP. She was visibly tired and slow in the latter half. Tara pointed out about the way she got up from the fall and Johnny Weir said that she was hating to be there. Are these two skaters that different to make up for these?

If you look at Miki's toe jumps, especially Lutz, those are barely rotated. I think she was lucky not to be called DG on those, even at the Olympics. BTW, Yuna did not have a major flaw on flip. The landing was not smooth but it should've been ratified, considering her clean take-off (no pre-rotation). Plus, it was right on the borderline so the benefit of doubt should went to the skater. If you compare her Sp flip with Mao's Lp second flip, you can realize that was really an unfair call.

[rtureck]

ok. then who should have taken the silver?

Miki with barely rotated jumps and no connection to the audience what so ever? .

So Yuna's one pop, one fall LP is such a big deal.? yeah, her SP was very diappointing, and she might have been overmarked with PCS but the gap between her and other skaters was just too big to make up for.

Since when is "connection with the audience" part of the COP, or over podium placement requirement. What is the definition of audience connection? Definitely not some fake pistol pointing as part of the choreography. Definitely not some winking or wiggle of the hip. Obviously super fans will "connect" with their favorites.

Anyway topic is about who should have won the bronze, I vote for Miki. I don't debate the silver medal under COP, but it was a very sloppy, no energy performance. Evidetnly Tara and JW who were there were very unimpressed too.

[Johnnnn]

Since when is "connection with the audience" part of the COP, or over podium placement requirement. What is the definition of audience connection? Definitely not some fake pistol pointing as part of the choreography. Definitely not some winking or wiggle of the hip. Obviously super fans will "connect" with their favorites.

Anyway topic is about who should have won the bronze, I vote for Miki. I don't debate the silver medal under COP, but it was a very sloppy, no energy performance. Evidetnly Tara and JW who were there were very unimpressed too.

lol Well i certaily don't expect any nice comment from you about Yuna but everybody knows Yuna connects very well with the audience and her presence is quite amazing on the ice. Those little moments that she takes really sucks you right in to her performance (said by Kristi Yamaguchii) and

her ability to use her face (Kurt Browning said her face is the key lol) and really communicate with the audiance is what really makes her special.

Anyways, Miki really screwed up her sp so she was just too far behind to take the medal. Also she's really trying to express herself this season but it was a bit overkill and too obvious.

Also, her expression is really on and off during the performance because she's really into it before the spiral sequence but then it's completely gone sometimes and she looks disconnected to the music.

It really didn't get the positive response from the judges and certianly not from the commentators.

It is a dog fight for the bronze really and I think it was all up to the judges and they did exactly that.

[rtureck]

lol Well i certaily don't expect any nice comment from you about Yuna but everybody knows Yuna connects very well with the audience and her presence is quite amazing on the ice. Those little moments that she takes really sucks you right in to her performance (said by Kristi Yamaguchii) and

Huh everybody? not even every body here at GS thinks so. Maybe everyone at kynville. Anyway, how does falling on her buttocks at 3sal a connection moment with the audience? (bar the kyn fans of course). But of course I don't expect you to see it because it is in your job description to drool about everything kyn does.


I am sure Browning and Kristi are not talking about moments of kyn falling and zamboning the ice

Anyways, Miki really screwed up her sp so she was just too far behind to take the medal. Also she's really trying to express herself this season but it was a bit overkill and too obvious.

Overkill this season or not is not the issue. This thread is about who should have won the bronze, and the poll result? Miki!!

[pangtongfan]

Phaneuf for sure. Ando is one of the most overscores skaters out there and almost always gets higher PCS than what she should.

[pangtongfan]

As I think of former champions such as Mao, Shizuka, Irina, Michelle, Oksana, or Lu Chen, I must say that any of them wouldn't have been able to have a podium finish had they made the kinds of mistakes she did both in SP and LP. Is that because of Yuna's more great than any of the champs, because of the way the COP is sturecured, or because judges were generous as you suggest?

You obviously forget Kwan at the 1999 Worlds and Kwan at the 1997 Grand Prix final. As for the others yeah probably not but none of those are the dominant skaters of their generation like Kwan and Kim are.

[silverlake22]

In 2009 worlds, they'd already decided that Rochette would medal. Miki just got lucky to edge pass Mao.
In 2010, Miki wasn't good throughout the GP series. She scored in the low 160s and won both of her events. She progressed but at a much slower pace compare to Mao.
Miki is just too slow and too awkward and has absolutely no connection to the music, the audience. Even when she landed her jumps, they looked slow, labored, and always short of rotation. She was lucky to get 4th place.

Miki's LP at 2009 worlds was the best I've ever seen her skate. She was fast, she was expressive, she hit the jumps. She deserved the bronze and maybe even the silver b/c her SP was good too.

Also, both Tara and Johnny thought Miki should have won bronze at this year's Worlds. Plus, the Canadian commentators thought her LP at '10 Worlds was one of the best she's ever skated in her career http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Z80la1ON0 . I agree that at the Olympics she was slow and cautious, but I actually thought her LP at Worlds was quite good.

Also, too high PCS? Miki only got 58 and change for her PCS in the LP at Worlds, which isn't even that high, especially considering she had a clean performance. Plus her skating skills are top notch, her transitions and choreograpy very good, I admit she's not so hot in the interpretation category, but that's only one small portion of the component score.

Further, anyone who thinks Miki is bad or whatever, should see her in practice. She's amazing - fast, huge jumps, confident. Her exhibition pieces are also fab - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQJSaRLk49Y I love this program of hers to death and the British Eurosport guys seem to too