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    There's something about the Triple Axel that exudes masculinity. I don't know if it's something that should be pushed in Women's skating. There is already the option to do it as either the combination jump or the solo jump out of footwork in the SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    There's something about the Triple Axel that exudes masculinity. I don't know if it's something that should be pushed in Women's skating. There is already the option to do it as either the combination jump or the solo jump out of footwork in the SP.
    Don't get me started....

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    The proposal of optional 3A in SP may be a simple gambit, perhaps not a great one. Still, Japan may be able to get a better deal on other proposals by "sacrificing" the optional 3A proposal.

    Instead, I'll say, give it to them just to see how the JSF reacts to it. Kidding...

    As I see so much revolving around Mao, I am wondering if the power dynamics in the JSF really depends on the success of Mao. It is more or less rhetorical...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    There's something about the Triple Axel that exudes masculinity.
    For some reason I always thought the Lutz was a manly man's jump, the way a man can "pop" off that outside edge.

    A triple Axel, not so much. This is because the double Axel is the prettiest ladies' jump by far. A triple Axel is just an extra revolution, which does not seem to be either masculine or feminine in itself, to me. In fact, spinning around many times is sort of on the ladies' side in the performaing arts.

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    It's all about the height and forward thrust that is require to achieve a Triple Axel. Thrusting motions are more masculine and hopefully I don't have to describe why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    It's all about the height and forward thrust that is require to achieve a Triple Axel. Thrusting motions are more masculine and hopefully I don't have to describe why.
    I thought you were joking when you made the remark about the triple-axel exuding masculinity!!

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    Well it is april fools but, no, I really wasn't! The Triple Axel kind of defines Men's figure skating as the most iconic movement, just as the Spiral and Layback kind of define Women's figure skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Well it is april fools but, no, I really wasn't! The Triple Axel kind of defines Men's figure skating as the most iconic movement, just as the Spiral and Layback kind of define Women's figure skating.
    oh really? the 3A are very usual and common for me, the quads define men's figure skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    It's all about the height and forward thrust that is require to achieve a Triple Axel. Thrusting motions are more masculine and hopefully I don't have to describe why.
    You have given me a new perspective on the triple Axel.

    Quote Originally Posted by yangjie View Post
    oh really? the 3A are very usual and common for me, the quads define men's figure skating.
    Yes, but quads are not macho like the forward thrusting triple Axel, because for a quad, you back into it like a punk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    C is what the rules were for senior men from the 1989 through 1998 seasons, and for junior men from whenever they were allowed to do triple-triple combo (I don't know the year offhand) until 2008-09 . . . well into the new judging system.

    There are more junior men than senior ladies doing triple axels.

    Those who can do triple axels do them in the combination. Those who can do triple axel with plenty of speed coming out do triple axel-triple toe.

    Mao already has that option and has been using it this year.

    If and when a lady could do 3A+3T combo and 3Lz in the short, she'd have a big advantage over all the rest. It wasn't until all the medal contenders were doing that in the men's event that more options were opened up.

    It doesn't pay off when the 3A is downgraded, but the same is true for 3-3 combos. They're both iffy propositions for most women who can do them at all.

    Personally, I don't care whether the solo 3A option is offered in the ladies' SP before more than one skater is in a position to take advantage of it. But based on the history of SP changes in the past, I don't expect that rule to change until after several women are consistently landing 3A in the LP and some of them doing 3A in the SP combination or solo jump from steps.
    It's the chicken or the egg situation. It just opens the door. If the only skater who does that does not get much advantages, it would keep others from practicing it.
    Last edited by Bennett; 04-11-2010 at 02:08 AM.

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