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    I don't see Frank willing to take on another top competitor. Yes he has only Mirai right now, but given his age and the fact that he finally has OGM, I can see him retiring in near future. I think he needs to stay away from authoritarian coach, so that rules out Russian and Japanese coaches (and dare I say his mother).

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    I feel so bad for Oda. What talent. I feel like his Karma changed with that DUI. I hope he finds his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginask8s View Post
    I feel so bad for Oda. What talent. I feel like his Karma changed with that DUI. I hope he finds his way.
    ITA. I think he tried so hard to redeem himself for this incident that he puts too much pressure on himself and has one freaky mistake or meltdown after the other. I definitely think that he needs the help of a sports psychologist, no matter who his coach is.

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    I certainly suppose that DUI would have had negative psychological effects on Nob (perhaps there would have been post-tramatic growth, too, though). But let's not forget that Nob's comeback skates have been pretty fantastic overall and judges love him, too. Look at his GOEs. Very few can match, except for Yuna. Besides, it's not that he started to make bizarre mistakes for the first time after that. He missed a ticket to Torino Olympics and a World medal for Zayak. Morosov would have been a great help to him in boosting his confidence. Yet I liked David Wilson programs better and it would be cool if he returns to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    I certainly suppose that DUI would have had negative psychological effects on Nob (perhaps there would have been post-tramatic growth, too, though). But let's not forget that Nob's comeback skates have been pretty fantastic overall and judges love him, too. Look at his GOEs. Very few can match, except for Yuna. Besides, it's not that he started to make bizarre mistakes for the first time after that. He missed a ticket to Torino Olympics and a World medal for Zayak. Morosov would have been a great help to him in boosting his confidence. Yet I liked David Wilson programs better and it would be cool if he returns to him.
    Well, as the collaboration between Morozov and Oda seems to have ended, he has to look for a new coach and choreographer. But I think the Chaplin program was fantastic and suited him very well, so I hope he keeps it for one more season. (Agreed that he needs a new SP, though.)

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    Looking back, I also liked Nob's SPs and LPs by Morosov and esp. Chaplin, but I hope that he would sell his programs more in the next seasons.

    Who do you think Nob will choose? I feel that it may actually work better for him to pick a Japanese coach because his univ has a fab rink. The Sato family and Takeshi Honda are taken. I wonder if Mr. Nagakubo is available. He seems like a warm person whom Akiko Suzuki trusts very much. Akiko says that she came back because of him. But he is in Nagoya and Nob's in Osaka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Maybe Javier should switch to Johnny and Ksenia's coach? That way he doesn't have to leave New Jersey.
    And have his choreography destroyed by yet another super front-loaded program, aka. 4-5 jumping passes one after another with nothing in between? Sorry, thanks but not thanks.

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    Javier seems to have everything a coach could want to work with. I hope he leans to the west when seeking a choreographer, at least..Mind you , I'm also very thrilled with Kenzi Miyamoto's work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    And have his choreography destroyed by yet another super front-loaded program, aka. 4-5 jumping passes one after another with nothing in between? Sorry, thanks but not thanks.
    Johnny and Ksenia have managed to do pretty well these past few years, and Javier has all the qualities needed to reach greatness. If he doesn't want to move again, it could be a logical choice. Plus I don't think there are any reknown coaches in Spain....

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Johnny and Ksenia have managed to do pretty well these past few years, and Javier has all the qualities needed to reach greatness. If he doesn't want to move again, it could be a logical choice. Plus I don't think there are any reknown coaches in Spain....
    Respectfully, Ksenia was a nobody prior to this year. She placed relativey high at Worlds this year but her PCS is before last among the Top 10, not sure I'd cal that "managed to do pretty well". As for Johnny's PCS, at the risk of being hunted by his "Angels", his programs this year are so poorly designed, they gave him no chance of winning a medal even when he skates clean. I don't think Javier should follow these two as example. Last year, everyone thought Leonova was going to be the future of Russian skating. Johnny proclaims Ksenia to be the new queen, but I don't see in this girl anything other than some good jumps so far. If I were Javier, even if I have to move half way across the globe again, I would avoid Johnny and the coaches / entourage who obviously failed him like pest.

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    Does anyone know whether Daisuke Murakami will go to Russia? I have no news about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Respectfully, Ksenia was a nobody prior to this year. She placed relativey high at Worlds this year but her PCS is before last among the Top 10, not sure I'd cal that "managed to do pretty well". As for Johnny's PCS, at the risk of being hunted by his "Angels", his programs this year are so poorly designed, they gave him no chance of winning a medal even when he skates clean. I don't think Javier should follow these two as example. Last year, everyone thought Leonova was going to be the future of Russian skating. Johnny proclaims Ksenia to be the new queen, but I don't see in this girl anything other than some good jumps so far. If I were Javier, even if I have to move half way across the globe again, I would avoid Johnny and the coaches / entourage who obviously failed him like pest.
    Ksensia is going to have a rough time of it when Russia's juniors get age eligible. The Russians have a huge group of talented Juniors coming, and unless Ksenia really improves her jump content, let alone choregraphy, she will be left in the dust. Sure there's puberty and stuff, but there is enough talented little Russian jumpers that one or two WILL break through. Especially when you consider all of the money that the Russian federation will spend in the build up to Sochi.

    Many think that Russia's pool of a 11-14 year olds is actually deeper than the United States and Japan. I like Ksensia though and I think if she can get the lutz and better choregraphy she could be competitive. But she has her work cut out for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Looking back, I also liked Nob's SPs and LPs by Morosov and esp. Chaplin, but I hope that he would sell his programs more in the next seasons.

    Who do you think Nob will choose? I feel that it may actually work better for him to pick a Japanese coach because his univ has a fab rink. The Sato family and Takeshi Honda are taken. I wonder if Mr. Nagakubo is available. He seems like a warm person whom Akiko Suzuki trusts very much. Akiko says that she came back because of him. But he is in Nagoya and Nob's in Osaka.
    I think it seems weird

    http://www.boom-sports.com/archives/51820886.html
    Oda said today, “I had heard he might move the home rink in January but didn’t know it meant Russia at all. We would go with the coach wherever he wants to go. I don’t know a lot about it because we have not talked yet”.

    This sounds really strange. Does Oda still want to do with Morozov while Morozov doesn’t want to continue?

    Lots of news reported that Morozov clealy said the contract between him and Oda was finished and the only Japanese skater he can trust is Miki

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    Quote Originally Posted by younggrass View Post
    I think it seems weird

    http://www.boom-sports.com/archives/51820886.html
    Oda said today, “I had heard he might move the home rink in January but didn’t know it meant Russia at all. We would go with the coach wherever he wants to go. I don’t know a lot about it because we have not talked yet”.

    This sounds really strange. Does Oda still want to do with Morozov while Morozov doesn’t want to continue?

    Lots of news reported that Morozov clealy said the contract between him and Oda was finished and the only Japanese skater he can trust is Miki
    It does sound strange. It puts a different spin on it. Seems like Oda is in the dark. Maybe the Russian Federation does not want NM coaching Oda who could possibly challenge in Sochi. Just a thought.

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    Huh, sounds strange to me, too. And the link seems such a reliable source. It says it is a web version of an information magazine of Kansai University (his and Dai's Univ).

    ETA
    Let me give you guys translation:

    ニコライ・モロゾフコーチとの契約解消が伝えられたが「モロゾフ先生からは、1月の五輪前に、 拠点を移すか もしれない、という話があった。ロシアという話は全然聞いていなかった。コーチがやりやすい環 境で、ぼくた ちはそれに帯同していく形になる。そのあたりは何もわかりません。まだ何も話し合っていないの で…」と視線 を下にやった。

    The termination of contract with Coach Nicholai Morosov has been reported (by the media). But "In Jan before the Oly, Teacher Morosov told me/us that he might relocate. I did not hear at all that it would be Russia. We follow to the place(s) which Coach finds fine. I do not know anything about it. We have not talked anything yet..." He looked down.
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