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    Ito is one of the advisors at Chukyo Univ (the univ of Mao, Miki, Takahiko). It wouldn't hurt to have her as one of the coaches. But it may not be the greatest idea to have her as the main coach who organizes and coordinates the teamwork. Yuka Sato would be fantastic as the main coach, but perhaps she would not be available. Shizuka also seems fantastic, but she may be considered too young, if she has to organize the team with older coaches. Plus she would be too busy with her own stuff.

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    What you do as a skater doesn't mean that's all you can give as a coach. Anyway it's not like Midori last competed yesterday. It's been years. Plus She has been under the pressure that Mao has and she'll be in Japan seeing Mao day after day. The bad and the good. That's what Mao needs the most right now. Mao can get good cop choreography, take some edging/skating skills/figure lessons, jump lessons and dance classes with other instructors. She also needs to hear what the judges say to her in the early competitions and work on what ever the issues turn out to be.

    Now I'm not saying Midori will be a good coach for Mao but I won't write it off as a bad move yet(if that's the direction she goes). Anyway Mao doesn't need a lot of help like a Caroline Z.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aurora100 View Post
    I have to respectfully disagree. Improving her 3A is not what Mao needs the most at the moment. She needs to go back to rounding out her program top to bottom. Now, I agree with you Yamaguchi was not what she became later as a pro skater. She was more of a jumping bean with often awkward lines and carriages, not the lyrical artistic skater like Michelle Kwan or anything. Even then Ito made Yamaguchi look strong in artistry. Ito had nothing but jumps...and it was the jumps that got her the titles she did. We all loved her personality and we wanted her to win more but she was so far away from a complete skater. I couldn't think of someone worse, just in skating style, than Ito, as Mao's coach, at this point.
    I didn't say Mao has to improve her 3A, I just stated my opinion saying that Mao's axel is far from perfect and isn't the only thing tha Ito can teach her.
    Mao doesn't need a style coach, that will be solved with suitable choreography. She's already an extremely elegant and lyrical skater. What she needs is a technichal coach, and Ito in your own words (which I don't agree at all) could help her with the jumps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Ito is one of the advisors at Chukyo Univ (the univ of Mao, Miki, Takahiko). It wouldn't hurt to have her as one of the coaches. But it may not be the greatest idea to have her as the main coach who organizes and coordinates the teamwork. Yuka Sato would be fantastic as the main coach, but perhaps she would not be available. Shizuka also seems fantastic, but she may be considered too young, if she has to organize the team with older coaches. Plus she would be too busy with her own stuff.
    As the saying goes, too many chefs, spoils broth........ good luck Mao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Yuka Sato would be fantastic as the main coach, but perhaps she would not be available.
    Yuka lives in Detroit and works with Jeremy Abbott there and I don't think she's moving back to Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aurora100 View Post
    PLEEEEEEEEASE PLEASE Mao, do not use have TAT as a choreographer. She is a great choreographer and you are a great skater, but TAT is not a good match for you. Pleeeeeeeeeease go back to Lori Nichol !!!!!!!!
    one of the article that posted a couple days ago on yahoo japan says they plans to ask tat either her sp or lp choreograph. i think mao with tat work sp or ex better than lp.

    yes,i love lori's programs, but personally i want to see the programs by lea ann miller
    remember her 2004-2005 season's both sp and lp,over the rainbow and La Boutique Fantastique, were fantastic
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    I am also a little skeptical about this idea of several coaches for Mao. I would like that she can get advice and tips from several different people but I want the head coach to work closely with Mao and not just end up giving directions to assistants, becaue that's what happened this season with TAT.

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    The new coach will be in Japan (hopefully in Nagoya, not Tokyo). And it sounds like they want to have several prominent ppl on the team and they would not be just "assistant" coaches who get directions from the main coach. I wish if they had started to have tech coaches as soon as she split with RA whereas having TAT as a long-distance main choreographer/coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    I am also a little skeptical about this idea of several coaches for Mao. I would like that she can get advice and tips from several different people but I want the head coach to work closely with Mao and not just end up giving directions to assistants, becaue that's what happened this season with TAT.
    though the whole translation doesn't post here, according to the article, they look for not only several coaches for their major but also a head coach. so i guess if this plan is going to carry it out, relation with mao and coaches will seem like mirai a few years ago (when she was with charlene)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayayukiituka View Post
    one of the article that posted a couple days ago on yahoo japan says they plans to ask tat either her sp or lp choreograph. i think mao with tat work sp or ex better than lp.

    yes,i love lori's programs, but personally i want to see the programs by lea ann miller
    remember her 2004-2005 season's both sp and lp,over the rainbow and La Boutique Fantastique, were fantastic
    Yeh Lea Ann Miller, I can go with that. TAT took Ilia Kulik and Alexei Yagudin to Olympic Gold Medal. That worked for them beautiful, they were powerful and grand and I don't want to sound sexiest but it works for Men's style of skating. Come to think of it, Mao skated sort of like them in Vancouver, except for the missed jumps. But that is not the right style for her or for any woman I would think. Mao's issues is not just about getting a fuller repertoire of jumps back and getting triple triples. Her bigger problem was her choreo. She needs a choreo that brings the best out of her, not impose something else on her. Choreo is so important. TAT continuing with her choreo won't get her to the top.

    I know I am baniging my head against a wall. :banging::banging::banging: I have a feeling Mao just really likes Russian style of skating and she wants to master it and if she just gets the jumps it will work. Hello Mao. You did two perfect programs in Torino, and got second in SP and LP. Doesn't that tell you anything? I just watched her SP from 2007 Worlds. Even with a mistaken, that was heavenly. I can only dream, that light ballerina skater could come back to life in competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aurora100 View Post
    Yeh Lea Ann Miller, I can go with that. TAT took Ilia Kulik and Alexei Yagudin to Olympic Gold Medal. That worked for them beautiful, they were powerful and grand and I don't want to sound sexiest but it works for Men's style of skating. Come to think of it, Mao skated sort of like them in Vancouver, except for the missed jumps. But that is not the right style for her or for any woman I would think. Mao's issues is not just about getting a fuller repertoire of jumps back and getting triple triples. Her bigger problem was her choreo. She needs a choreo that brings the best out of her, not impose something else on her. Choreo is so important. TAT continuing with her choreo won't get her to the top.

    I know I am baniging my head against a wall. :banging::banging::banging: I have a feeling Mao just really likes Russian style of skating and she wants to master it and if she just gets the jumps it will work. Hello Mao. You did two perfect programs in Torino, and got second in SP and LP. Doesn't that tell you anything? I just watched her SP from 2007 Worlds. Even with a mistaken, that was heavenly. I can only dream, that light ballerina skater could come back to life in competition.
    Interesting about Tat and heavy Russian style working for men. Could we also say it was in the 6.0 era and not under CoP when this happened? I think Mao's 3A's would have been worth more to 6.0 judges.

    Also somebody might remind Mao about how many Russian women have won OGM's?
    And WC's? Not so many and perhaps there are reasons for that.

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    TAT is capable of choreographing great programs. Ladies in Lavender SP was a great one. "Winter" is so much better than "Bells". It was dramatic but the drama had an impact not like the empty feeling left by "Bells". The good thing is that Mao is leaning towards softer and calmer music next season and that TAT may be choreographing one program but someone else will choreograph the other one. A little variety is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    TAT is capable of choreographing great programs. Ladies in Lavender SP was a great one. "Winter" is so much better than "Bells". It was dramatic but the drama had an impact not like the empty feeling left by "Bells". The good thing is that Mao is leaning towards softer and calmer music next season and that TAT may be choreographing one program but someone else will choreograph the other one. A little variety is good.
    A little variety in the music wouldn't hurt either

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Interesting about Tat and heavy Russian style working for men. Could we also say it was in the 6.0 era and not under CoP when this happened? I think Mao's 3A's would have been worth more to 6.0 judges.

    Also somebody might remind Mao about how many Russian women have won OGM's?
    And WC's? Not so many and perhaps there are reasons for that.
    Mao 3A would have been worth a lot more under the 6.0 system.
    Both Tara and Kristi have said something along the line, "She has a triple axel, how do you compete with that?" "It's all about the triple axel" "What could I do that can compete with the triple axel"
    Both girls have 3-3 and yet, they both think technically the triple axel is a far greater achievement.

    Midori was the first to do a 3-3, but the wow factor wasn't even close to her 3A. And Midori's 3-3 would have gotten +3 GOE today. The height, the flow, the speed, the delay rotation, the transition Ina B into her 3-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayayukiituka View Post
    though the whole translation doesn't post here, according to the article, they look for not only several coaches for their major but also a head coach. so i guess if this plan is going to carry it out, relation with mao and coaches will seem like mirai a few years ago (when she was with charlene)
    The strongest team consisted of a head coach and Several coaches. Each of the coaches, as an expert of specific part, should be the best coach available in Japan and the most responsible head coach always sticks to Mao coordinating everything, leading other coaches. This seems to the grand plan. Like all the national support toward a single skater.
    Can you find another example in history? Would be work?

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