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    News Oleg Vasiliev "Mukhortova - Trankov no more. And it is a crime of office Piseev"

    Oleg Vasiliev talk with sports.ru about the split of Mukhortova and Trankov, and the conspiracy of Piseev with Maxim to split up with Mukhortova after the season ended.
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    The team Mukhortova – Trankov has broken up. It’s a pity. This beautiful pair that hasn’t reached its potential has ceased to skate together. Maxim has long approached considered parting with Masha. He has tried several times to do it - two years ago, a year ago, and this year a couple of times. This is not inanity or a sudden decision – it is a long though-through move. After the Worlds, we met to discuss future plans, and Max immediately said that he sees no point in continuing further work in pair with Maria Mukhortova and under the leadership of Oleg Vasiliev.

    The reasons for such decision may be many, but mostly, in my opinion, Maxim unfortunately, is not accustomed to tough working conditions. His whole adult life, he worked in a group (that was before Moskvina) where he could manage the process; he therefore believed that he knew everything, could do anything, and all must do as he says. This has happened for many years. When Max got into the hands of Moskvina, he could not bring himself to follow her rigorous schedule, and it was one of the reasons why Tamara decided to part with this pair on good terms. She gave Masha and Maxim over to Kazakova and Dmitriev. That didn’t work out either. I managed to keep Maxim in the working schedule for some time, but he didn’t handle it for long.

    How I managed it is a long story. The first month, from December 2006 to early January of 2007, we worked in trial mode. We decided to see how the process goes, and, proceeding from this, only then to discuss further plans. I got the kids in poor condition. No fitness or stability of performance elements, no “skated-in” programs – they had nothing. Instead, there was desperation, despair and complete lack self confidence. There was no money: they lost all salaries and grants, except for "survival stipend” in the amount of 2300 rubles per month.
    There was nothing to lose. The first month of the guys trained fabulously. It was a pleasure to work with them. All we strove to make as much as possible and better as soon as possible. This period Mukhortova and Trankov progressed very quickly. They won the national championship in 2007 without question and by a large margin. After that we made an agreement on the obligations of each member of our team: who should do what and what penalties are assumed to default. It was this document, I think, that became Trankov’s “jail”. Every time when he tried to show their "independence", he was reminded that we are all working as a team and play to the agreed rules. That worked for some time. Then it stopped, and penalties were set in motion. This, too, worked for some time. However, over time Trankov stopped doing what was demanded of him, and began to behave as he wanted.
    I must say that Masha was not easy either, she is also a very complex person. In fact, most people in elite sport aren’t easy. Each must have a unique approach. With Mukhortova we somehow found a common language; not so with Trankov. And although we have had our scandals and squabbles with Masha, they usually stayed reasonable. We always returned to normal working position and moved on to a common goal. This year, the couple noticeably progressed precisely because of Mukhortova, her tremendous work on herself. Maxim, on the other hand, refusing any help from me or from our choreographer Alexander Matveev, remained professionally at almost the same level.

    I think that Masha and Maxim did not use 50% of their potential. In a couple of years, this team would’ve been a candy. So sorry, of course, that the pair ceased to exist. I believe that in the past two seasons Kawaguchi - Smirnov and Mukhortova - Trankov were approximately equal to elements. Moskvina’s students are only better than Masha and Maxim in one element – a quad throw. Everything else (skating, line, flow, elements) Mukhortova and Trankov do better. The question arises: why then Kawaguchi and Smirnov are the first pair of Russia?

    I have reliable information that in December 2009, during the national championship, Maxim Trankov and Valentin Piseev entered into an agreement that the pair of Mukhortova-Trankov will cease to exist at the end of the season, and Maxim will train with another partner. Max has agreed to this behind his partner’s back; the president of the Federation did so behind the back of the coach of one of the leading pairs in Russia and the world.
    Piseev took active negotiations with the Ukrainian Federation and has had some results. That December agreement cost Mukhortova and Trankov dearly. After the Grand Prix, they were regarded as virtually the first pair of the country. But the championship of Russia and for the remainder of the season they were being held back. The Federation knew that soon the pair will break up, and there was not point in supporting a team which will soon disappear. They began to hold up Kawaguchi and Smirnov, and gave Mukhortova and Trankovu the lowest possible ratings for skating which they showed. In this case Trankov worked against his own pair, against himself. In fact, he deprived himself of an Olympic medal and World Championship medals. As for Piseev, I consider his actions a real crime – a federation president has knowingly broken up a leading team of the country. It is simply unthinkable!
    I do not want to go into a detailed analysis of actions of Piseev and Trankov. Valentin Nikolayevich is not a purely evil person - in most cases, he reasonable stakes his decisions on the winner. However, unfortunately, this happens less and less: very often personal relationships interfere. As I understand it, it happened this time. We had a very difficult relationship with the president of the federation. This is probably outweighed the reasonable logic. Trankov’s logic is easier to follow – he is probably looking for much good out of the change – he wants freedom of expression. No one will be forcing him to be at practice on time, and to work on what he doesn’t want to work on.

    I must say that in the case of Totmianina and Marinin Piseev could not intervene. There was a special situation. We practiced in Chicago and were so far from the federation, that it simply was not possible either to control the process, or to give any instructions. Up until the Olympic year, until the last months before the Olympics, nobody bothered us; we hardly received any money from the Figure Skating Federation of Russia. The team lived and trained at their own expense and the money earned by themselves from prizes, shows, etc. The President simply could not do anything.

    The situation with Mukhortova and Trankov is different. First, Russia had an equivalent pair, which could be held up while Masha and Maxim were held down. And secondly, we trained under the very nose of the federation. For three and a half years of our collaboration, we listened to endless accusations for not coming to training camps and for not doing what “must be done” according to the federation. Work was hard enough, and if it weren’t for the support of the school of figure skating of St. Petersburg, our Petersburg federation and the St. Petersburg city, then much would not have happened.

    I did not want the collapse of a pair, or I would’ve been better prepared. Masha, who has had the opportunity to change partners during Maxim’s the previous parting attempts, always told me: "No, I'll ride it out with Trankov. I started with him; I want to continue with him.” So I made a mental note that Mukhortova does not want any other partner, and did not look for anyone.

    Obviously, we’ll now start to look for a partner, but it’s not easy as there aren’t many skaters of that level in the world. The parameters are very stringent. It must be a person with experience as a pair skater, with at least two triple jumps, tall (185 cm and above), and strong enough to withstand those loads that must be overcome in the next few months and years to come. We'll start our search in Russia; if we don’t find anyone, we’ll seek abroad. In our country, to be honest, I see almost no potential partners. Maybe there are a couple of people who could potentially fit in. The question is whether those young men will want to work, and whether they are free from other obligation.

    The amount of time it takes to create a strong pair depends on what a partner we’ll find, and how much time initial pairing stages will take. Learning how to make parallel jumps is not difficult, skating in parallel not difficult, even skating together is not very difficult. But learning to perform pair elements (lifts, throws, twists) takes longer and depends on the degree of compatibility of partners, both psychological and physical.

    Finding a partner for Masha is my number one problem for today. This must be done within two to three weeks. […] Therefore, the work in this direction will be quite intense. If all this is successful and we will find a partner, then I'll decide what to do next. I will see how much time and effort will be needed to make them into a good pair and if I'll have time to take on someone else – a lady or a man. All will become clear within two to three weeks.
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    Vasiliev has tried to discredit K&S for quite some time. BTW, here's what Werner wrote on his conference blog when questioned on this article: "I have no wish what-so-ever to comment on Vasiliev's slanderous yapping. Let Maxim defend himself, and tell his version of why he has categorically refused to work with that coach."

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    I feel like what Oleg is saying is pretty horrible. For me this is the thing: Oleg's words might be completely true. Maxim just might be completely impossible to work with, and he might not want to follow his coaches orders. However, if Maxim was completely horrible, he and Maria wouldn't be so upset that Maxim is leaving. The facts are that as difficult as Maxim may be, he's probably one of the best male pairs skaters around. The guy didn't get that way by refusing to work whatsover.

    These comments are clearly orchestrated to punish Maxim for daring to leave their working relationship. And they could really hurt Maxim's career, I can compare that to how classy Moskvina was when she dumped Maxim and Maria, because she just said "I can't help them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by pksandy View Post
    Oleg Vasiliev talk with sports.ru about the split of Mukhortova and Trankov, and the conspiracy of Piseev with Maxim to split up with Mukhortova after the season ended. [...]
    I will see how much time and effort will be needed to make them into a good pair and if I'll have time to take on someone else – a lady or a man. All will become clear within two to three weeks.
    Wow this is one nasty story and one nasty break up. I am moving my attention to the new baby teams from Russia, hopefully they can bring Russia back to its glory in Sochi. This nasty stuff has to go.
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    The whole Maxim sabotaged his team conspiracy theory might be true. Had they placed on the podium, the Russian fed would never let the pair breakup. Seriously. He just needed to do badly enough to get out of that partnership. And he did.

    Poor Maria, she has 3 weeks to find a suitable partner and even compete in the level she's been competing. It's easy for someone who's already FOUND another partner to break it up. I believe Oleg and Maria because had they seen this one coming, they would have started searching a long while back.

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    Well this really seems like a nasty break up. It's easy to throw all the responsibility for this on evil Piseev (I agree with Vasiliev in this one, he's evil and thanks God he's leaving), his office and Maxim and stand myself and Maria in a position of victim in this case.

    Actually for most people this break up came as a no surprise. When your relationship with your partner and trainer isn't good and the results are also not where you expect them, then things like this happen. First, Vasiliev is in this business long enough to know this, expect this and not just moan to the press and bash his skater when it happens. Second, I don't belive that if Maria had a proposal to skate with someone better then Maxim, she'd refuse it or for the record Vasiliev would not try to influence her to change the partner. After all it's sport and everyone want's to get better and win, they are both adults, responsible for their actions and can decide what's best for them. If Maxim had a feeling that they can't get better in this pairing it was only good for him to do what he did, the same would go for Maria if she had been the one who decided to switch partner. Maxim got an opportunity and took it, I don't see anything wrong with that.

    With that said, I'd love to hear also Maxim's version of this story and for the record also Maria's .

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    The whole Maxim sabotaged his team conspiracy theory might be true. Had they placed on the podium, the Russian fed would never let the pair breakup. Seriously. He just needed to do badly enough to get out of that partnership. And he did.

    Poor Maria, she has 3 weeks to find a suitable partner and even compete in the level she's been competing. It's easy for someone who's already FOUND another partner to break it up. I believe Oleg and Maria because had they seen this one coming, they would have started searching a long while back.
    Flatt fan, how could Maria and Oleg not "see this one coming" when according to even Oleg, Maxim has been trying to break up the pair for years? Its not like Maxim pretended for years that he was happy with this pairing and then left....

    I feel bad for Maria. But in this situation, people are acting like Maria and Maxim are married and Maxim is leaving Maria for another woman. This isn't the case, this is a business/working relationship. Where one of the partners is unhappy, and has long expressed disastification and the desire to leave. The pairing was going to end eventually, and Maxim doesn't owe Maria his entire career.

    Another thing I don't understand is why Maria has only three weeks to find another partner. Considering the Olympics are not until four years, I would think she'd have a little while to make a decision.

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    I'm really glad to read other comments criticizing Vasileev for his comments. They're startlingly unclassy and reading between the lines indicates a pretty poisonous environment. I doubt Maxim sabatoged the team - if that was true, then he might be the best actor on skates right now as his reaction after the Olympic SP (and Maria's response, I might add) was just devastating.

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    Thanks for the translation. The article is pretty negative toward Maxim.
    I hope it works out for all the parties. I will miss them being together. I really
    liked their skating and when they were on were beautiful to watch.

    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
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    Another thing I don't understand is why Maria has only three weeks to find another partner. Considering the Olympics are not until four years, I would think she'd have a little while to make a decision.


    Maybe it has something to do with the Grand Prix Assignments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    I'm really glad to read other comments criticizing Vasileev for his comments. They're startlingly unclassy and reading between the lines indicates a pretty poisonous environment. I doubt Maxim sabatoged the team - if that was true, then he might be the best actor on skates right now as his reaction after the Olympic SP (and Maria's response, I might add) was just devastating.
    I think he's arguing that Maxim sabatoged the team because his making a deal with the Russian federation and Tatiana, caused the Russian federation to make K/S their number one team.

    I actually do believe that once the Russian federation knew that Tatiana/Trankov was in the works, that they had plenty of interest in making sure it happened. However, I don't think Trankov can be blamed either for doing what he could do get out of a situation he was unhappy with.

    I also think Oleg is a bit incorrect when he says the only thing K/S has is a quad sal. While in terms of Quality M/T were the much better team. M/T didn't have a lot of difficulty in terms of choregraphy or transitions. In contrast, K/S did.
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    Wow...masha was working to improve. I don't wish Trankov on Tatiana now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavender View Post
    Wow...masha was working to improve. I don't wish Trankov on Tatiana now.
    Lavender, I wouldn't put that much stock in what Vasiliev says. He's bit jilted by Trankov, and he is now sour. I think Maxim is as driven as Maria is.

    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    Flatt fan, how could Maria and Oleg not "see this one coming" when according to even Oleg, Maxim has been trying to break up the pair for years?
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    I feel bad for Maria. But in this situation, people are acting like Maria and Maxim are married and Maxim is leaving Maria for another woman. This isn't the case, this is a business/working relationship. Where one of the partners is unhappy, and has long expressed disastification and the desire to leave. The pairing was going to end eventually, and Maxim doesn't owe Maria his entire career.
    That's a great analogy, Bekalc! Yes, people are reacting EXACTLY as they do when a husband leaves his wife for another woman. And I agree wholeheartedly that this is not the case.
    Another thing I don't understand is why Maria has only three weeks to find another partner. Considering the Olympics are not until four years, I would think she'd have a little while to make a decision.
    I'm tired of agreeing with you, but, once again, I was about to make this same point. I guess they're looking to have her compete next season, and perhaps they do have to hurry to achieve this. However, I think skipping a season is far from the end of the world; it might even do Maria some good. Also, if indeed they will end up looking abroad, they'll have to sit out a season anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    Flatt fan, how could Maria and Oleg not "see this one coming" when according to even Oleg, Maxim has been trying to break up the pair for years? Its not like Maxim pretended for years that he was happy with this pairing and then left....

    I feel bad for Maria. But in this situation, people are acting like Maria and Maxim are married and Maxim is leaving Maria for another woman. This isn't the case, this is a business/working relationship. Where one of the partners is unhappy, and has long expressed disastification and the desire to leave. The pairing was going to end eventually, and Maxim doesn't owe Maria his entire career.

    Another thing I don't understand is why Maria has only three weeks to find another partner. Considering the Olympics are not until four years, I would think she'd have a little while to make a decision.
    There are people who say things all the time without doing it. Maxim said he'd break it off for years without following through. It's like crying wolf. Don't you get it? Oleg and Maria didn't expect it would actually be carried out. This Maxim character is really shady. I don't see them as top contenders anyway, so no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    This Maxim character is really shady.
    More so then Oleg?

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    @Flattfan I get the impression you have sth personal with Maxim & Tatiana. Why do u hate them?

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