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    Interesting Rate for Kim, Mao, Kwan, Witt.

    Here is an interesting article on the incredible 4 ladies.

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...im.html?cat=14


    Winning Rate ; Asada 54% Kim 76% Witt 78% Kwan 50%
    Podium Clinching Rate ; Asada 87% Kim 100% Witt 87% Kwan 97%

    First of all, I was really suprised that Michelle's podium clinching rate is almost 100%. ( missing podium just one time)
    Considering her long career it is really fascinating.
    But her wining rate says she sometimes show some weakness.
    Dominating a decade with up and down.

    Winning rate of Katarian was great (She just 'participated' in her 3rd OG.)
    Highest wining rate and comparably lower podium rate.
    A real competitor she is.

    I really want Yuna to continue her carreer because I'm a Yuna-addicted.
    So interesting to see how long she can stick into the perfect podium clinching rate.
    And her winning rate will go up or down?
    Mao should be the major factor on it.

    'Without Kim in the future' Mao's winning rate will go up easily to the similar level of 3 other ladies.
    there is a big gap between Mao and other ladies in the field.
    But does she really want it?
    She already said 'No'.
    She said she wanted Yuna would continue and I totally agree with her opinion.
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    Mao didnt win 2010 GPF. She did not qualified for the 2009.

    Michelle missed 4 times since her senior career.

    Nobody will break Yuna's ( since 12 yrs old till 2010) 100% podium clinching rate for the century to come. She owns the podium. Period!
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    Quote Originally Posted by youtubo View Post
    Nobody will break Yuna's ( since 12 yrs old till 2010) 100% podium clinching rate for the century to come. She owns the podium. Period!
    You can actually count on your fingers the times she didn't win gold. Let's see.
    1) 2005 JGPF
    2) 2005 JW
    3) JGP China
    4) 2006 SC
    5) 2007 WC
    6) 2008 WC
    7) 2008 GPF
    8) 2010 WC

    If you count just her senior record, that's 5 times. If you take out the times when she was severely injured (2007 and 2008 Worlds), that's 3 times. Quite a record. Mao won the 2005 GPF and the 2008 GPF. Yu-na won the 2006, 2007 and 2009 GPF. The 2010 GPF has yet to take place. This person obviously is not a bona fide journalist, thank god. There were several glaring factual and grammatical errors. I couldn't finish the article.

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    Kwan competed in more comps so it would be likely that things would go up and down. Witt competed long but they didn't have as many competitions to lose in.

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    I sincerely hope that Yuna and Mao have longevity of career vs. simple podium finishes as a measure of their impact on figure skating. I also hope that their competitors continue to strive and grow. As a Kwan fan, it was always more interesting to watch her win a title v. simply be handed one due to a lack of competition. The same is true of Kat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youtubo View Post
    Michelle missed 4 times since her senior career.
    Well...now...three of those were when Michelle was competing in seniors at age 13 and 14 (including two senior world championships), and her 4th miss was after her career was essentially done at age 24.

    In the nine-year period from 1995-96 to 2003-04 her podium rate was 100%.

    Comparing Michelle to Kim at ages 15 to 19, Michelle won 13 out of 17 major international senior competitions (76%), and never finished lower than second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Well...now...three of those were when Michelle was competing in seniors at age 13 and 14 (including two senior world championships), and her 4th miss was after her career was essentially done at age 24.

    In the nine-year period from 1995-96 to 2003-04 her podium rate was 100%.

    Comparing Michelle to Kim at ages 15 to 19, Michelle won 13 out of 17 major international senior competitions (76%), and never finished lower than second (4 times in five years).
    First of all, breaking down someone's career is a joke.
    1995-96 to 2003-04 is eight year period, not nine.
    From 1996-2000, Michelle won just 2 @WC Nada @oly Nada @GPF
    Yuna's 2006-2010 won 1 @oly 1 @WC 3 @GPF and 1 4CC. That is why we all call her a Grand Slam!
    In the nine-year period from 2001-2010 her podium rate was 100%, First Lady EVER in FS History~~~ I dont see other than Yuna done the Grand SLAM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youtubo View Post
    First of all, breaking down someone's career is a joke.
    1995-96 to 2003-04 is eight year period, not nine.
    From 1996-2000, Michelle won just 2 @WC Nada @oly Nada @GPF
    Yuna's 2006-2010 won 1 @oly 1 @WC 3 @GPF and 1 4CC.
    In the nine-year period from 2001-2010 her podium rate was 100%, First Lady EVER in FS History~~~
    What Mathman is saying is that back then the age rules were different, so Michelle was essentially competing with senior ladies as a 13 yr old. Since Yuna did not compete with seniors as a 13 yr old, you can't really compare like that. A better comparison is to see their results they had when they were around the same age range. Michelle was a World Champion at 15, and from 15-20, I do not believe she ever placed lower than 2nd in a major competition. That's a very impressive record indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youtubo View Post
    1995-96 to 2003-04 is eight year period, not nine.
    1995-96 (1)
    1996-97 (2)
    1997-98 (3)
    1998-99 (4)
    1999-00 (5)
    2000-01 (6)
    2001-02 (7)
    2002-03 (8)
    2003-04 (9)

    Nada @GPF
    1996 Championship Series Final (as the Grand Prix was called in those days.)

    Quote Originally Posted by youtubo View Post
    In the nine-year period from 2001-2010 her podium rate was 100%, First Lady EVER in FS History~~~
    Sonia Henie won first place at every figure skating event she entered during the ten year period 1927-1936.

    This included 3 consecutive Olympic gold medals, 10 consecutive World Championships, and 6 consecutive European Championships (the European ladies championship did not start until 1930.)

    Anyway, go Yu-na! I hope she wins a bunch more in the coming years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    1995-96 (1)
    1996-97 (2)
    1997-98 (3)
    1998-99 (4)
    1999-00 (5)
    2000-01 (6)
    2001-02 (7)
    2002-03 (8)
    2003-04 (9)



    1996 Championship Series Final (as the Grand Prix was called in those days.)



    Sonia Henie won first place at every figure skating event she entered during the ten year period 1927-1936.

    This included 3 consecutive Olympic gold medals, 10 consecutive World Championships, and 6 consecutive European Championships (the European ladies championship did not start until 1930.)

    Anyway, go Yu-na! I hope she wins a bunch more in the coming years.
    1996-1997 She got silver @ championship Series final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    What Mathman is saying is that back then the age rules were different, so Michelle was essentially competing with senior ladies as a 13 yr old. Since Yuna did not compete with seniors as a 13 yr old, you can't really compare like that. A better comparison is to see their results they had when they were around the same age range. Michelle was a World Champion at 15, and from 15-20, I do not believe she ever placed lower than 2nd in a major competition. That's a very impressive record indeed.
    I should credit a lot more to Yuna Youth. A nation with no FS history, quality of coaches, facilities and everything else that would make her competitive wasn't there. It's just amazing what she have accomplished!

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    Quote Originally Posted by youtubo View Post
    1996-1997 She got silver @ championship Series final.
    1995-1996 she won the GOLD at the champions series final!

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    Quote Originally Posted by youtubo View Post
    1996-1997 She got silver @ championship Series final.
    In those days the Grand Prix Final was held later in the season than it is now. The "1996 Championship Series Final" was held in February of 1996 as part of the 1995-96 figure skating season.

    Michelle won that one. The next year she came in second (to Tara Lipinski), as you say.

    By the way, the reason that the ISU could not use the name "Grand Prix" in the first two years of this tournament was because of trademark issues with other sports that also had "Grand Prix" series.

    I should credit a lot more to Yuna Youth. A nation with no FS history, quality of coaches, facilities and everything else that would make her competitive wasn't there. It's just amazing what she have accomplished!
    I totally agree.

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