My friends and I had a little discussion on some technical stuff. Could experts here help elucidate? Some of my questions may be rather elementary, but please humor me.
1) Ina bauer into a 2A: Yu-na's known for doing this. I've noticed that some athletes change feet right before the jump, while Yu-na jumps right into it. I've heard that this move is difficult and thus garners more points because the skater's right leg is far from the takeoff point. Could someone explain the mecahnics? Hypothetically, if two skaters' 2As were both of equal quality, but one was more flexible in executing the ina bauer but changed feet and the other didn't, who would get greater GOE? Shouldn't GOE be based on the jump itself? Isn't interesting transition into a jump simply one checkpoint for GOE? Let's then say the 2As were both great, the ina bauers equally flexible, but one changed feet and the other didn't. Who should get greater GOE? I thought it would be the latter. And forgive my being skeptical, but would judges even notice?
2) An ina baur in itself: Where should it be rewarded? Performance (probably with Shizuka's , which was both climactic and gorgeous) ? Skating skills?
3) A possible correlation between extreme flexibility and poor jumps: This is just a casual observation.Famously flexible skaters (Sasha Cohen, CaroZ, Oksana Baiul, etc.) often seem to have problems with jumps. By this, I don't necessarily mean edge, UR issues (which some indeed do have), but speed, ice coverage, position and in particular height. Do you think there may be some correlation? There was some discussion on this, but I forgot exactly where. I've noticed that the sturdy physique a la Tonya Harding and Midori Ito tend to breed the best jumpers, who are often very lacking in flexibility. Joannie, for example, can't do a bielmann*. Is the explanation very simple and boils down to simple strength or is there a possible explanation in air position (how upright one is in air)?
* In an article, Joannie said, "I can do a Biellmann, but not very gracefully and it hurts my back. If I try too much, I can't skate for a week. My body is more explosive muscle fiber. I'm not very flexible." http://www.skatetoday.com/news-34-0-0-0--.html
1) Ina bauer into a 2A: Yu-na's known for doing this. I've noticed that some athletes change feet right before the jump, while Yu-na jumps right into it. I've heard that this move is difficult and thus garners more points because the skater's right leg is far from the takeoff point. Could someone explain the mecahnics? Hypothetically, if two skaters' 2As were both of equal quality, but one was more flexible in executing the ina bauer but changed feet and the other didn't, who would get greater GOE? Shouldn't GOE be based on the jump itself? Isn't interesting transition into a jump simply one checkpoint for GOE? Let's then say the 2As were both great, the ina bauers equally flexible, but one changed feet and the other didn't. Who should get greater GOE? I thought it would be the latter. And forgive my being skeptical, but would judges even notice?
2) An ina baur in itself: Where should it be rewarded? Performance (probably with Shizuka's , which was both climactic and gorgeous) ? Skating skills?
3) A possible correlation between extreme flexibility and poor jumps: This is just a casual observation.Famously flexible skaters (Sasha Cohen, CaroZ, Oksana Baiul, etc.) often seem to have problems with jumps. By this, I don't necessarily mean edge, UR issues (which some indeed do have), but speed, ice coverage, position and in particular height. Do you think there may be some correlation? There was some discussion on this, but I forgot exactly where. I've noticed that the sturdy physique a la Tonya Harding and Midori Ito tend to breed the best jumpers, who are often very lacking in flexibility. Joannie, for example, can't do a bielmann*. Is the explanation very simple and boils down to simple strength or is there a possible explanation in air position (how upright one is in air)?
* In an article, Joannie said, "I can do a Biellmann, but not very gracefully and it hurts my back. If I try too much, I can't skate for a week. My body is more explosive muscle fiber. I'm not very flexible." http://www.skatetoday.com/news-34-0-0-0--.html