Here is a clip of Peggy Fleming winning the 1967 WC in Vienna - the last time it was skated outdoors.
"The 1967 competitions for men, ladies, pairs and ice dancing took place February 28th to March 4th, 1967 in Vienna, Austria on an open air ice rink."
I have to say I'm awed Mao did this but still don't agree with repeating jumps instead of doing at least one of each triple. Two 3as really belong in the men's LP. Great kudos to Mao but CoP in general is not yet refined and needs to be tweaked. The performances are suffering though its sad it takes all this to try and keep the judges honest. Doing the same jumps for each skater is a good idea. Levels the jumping comp and they can be compared on same jumps.
Hey,I wish they'd go back to school figures so we'd see better basics. Not a fan of CoP.
Jumps seperate the skaters. I love Luncinda Rhu but she was a weak jumper and it hurt her competitivness. In today's skating world - she'd probably be a podium threat. Is that progress or better, faster, higher or just dope spins?
To learn this discipline would greatly reduce the practice time for 3x3's and 3A's quite a bit.
What we might see instead is better edges, and better control and posture as they changed positions in the freeskate. Maybe more and better multi- directional skating.
It always feels a little shortsighted to call out skaters from earlier eras about edges or urs. And don't forget if they fell there was no rule that gave them credit or points for such obvious mistakes.
Sometimes it is easy to forget that the Ladies in the late 80's and 90's were the first to do all of the triple jumps. I still have not seen a better 3A than Midori - or Tonya for that matter - and this was 20 years ago.
But no doubt the skaters today are training harder, they do more off-ice training, are more conscious about nutrition and many have 3-4 or more coaches/trainers.
They also have the benefit through technolgy of studying the skaters that came before them in a way skaters from the past never had. Coaches can easily tape practices for better feedback and although I don't know much about it - skaters like Patrick Chan are using software for analysis of their jumps.
Persoanlly I cherish so many skaters from the past and the contributions they made to skating.
Peggy was so graceful, Janet not only made evey move meaningful with a flow never seen before, but had a way of connecting with an audience that has rarely been matched.
Other fans can mention other skaters who were the great pioneers of the sport so many of us love to watch today. Carol Heiss, the great champion was the first Lady to do a 2A in competition. Everyone remembers Biellman for her spin but she also was doing a triple lutz back in 1980. Kati is remembered for her theatrical contributions but she also was the first Lady to do the triple flip.
As to these edge calls and UR calls - sometimes they are called very inconsisitently. One expert has said every 3x3 done by Ladies is basically short. Some tech callers are lenient (like in Vancouver where even without replay I saw many urs that were not called) including jumps from the medalists.
Here is a fun clip showing some of the greats from the past:
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I presume we are no longer talking about skaters who changed the course of figure skating, and I also presume we will settle in and talk about our favorite skaters in the past fifteen years ignoring anything that happened in the past.
That's just as well since no body can recall Wili Boekel, Alois Lutz, Axel Paulsen, Ulrich Salchow, Rittenberger, Mapes, and the ever popular Jackson Haines. But then, I don't believe they changed the course of figure skating as much as they added to it.
Anyway, I'll mention Dick Button who is the only male skater to win two consecutive Olympic Gold Medal, and moreso because he changed the European Open to the European Closed.
The greatest thing about Dick was that he was expected to do at least one thing that had never been seen before every year! Most skaters would be satisfied with just one 'first ever' but Dick was expected to pull a rabbit out of his skates every year.
1. First ever double axel
2. First ever triple loop
3. The flying camel
4. The first double loop double loop combination
5. The first double loop double loop double loop combination
6. The first double axel double loop combination
To my surprise my search for Haines did reveal this gem ........
^ A performance that changed the course of figure skating!
By the way, why hasn't anyone skated to the 1812 Overture?
The shift we saw with COP was away from the intuitive to the harshly logical, and that's a pretty dramatic shift (and it's not truly complete), and we (enthusiasts and casual fans) still struggle with the change.
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