Wallylutz Thanks for the explanation. There's something I noticed from the ISU description you provided.
"In some cases, which need to be decided by the Technical Panel, the preparation for the take-off without leaving the ice might be also called an
This statement seems to imply that according to the rules, the tech panel is justified with calling or not calling a jump; the decision entirely rests upon them. This really explains a lot why we see so many inconsistent calling these days.
Such a boring post, when there is nothing to discuss about.... Better to wait until October then creating questions like this.
The podium was LOVELY in Vancouver. It doesn't mean that everybody should like that.
Ms Nagasu's mother MUST have a very different opinion also
I did not look through the protocols, but in general, if one wants to discuss about overscoring/underscoring, I think it's best that you do so while specifying where the overscoring/underscoring took place; otherwise it just looks like complaining.
I loved the ladies' podium in Vancouver; it was the way I wanted it to be. However, it gave me bad vibes when the judges were taking a disproportionately long time going over Mirai's LP scores. I'm not saying there was anything fishy going on, but for whatever reason, it gave me the feeling that something fishy could have been going on. All my heart wanted Joannie to earn a medal, but it did seem to me that the judges were possibly scrutinizing Mirai's performance closely to ensure that, which admittedly made me feel bad for Mirai, too.
I'd say Joannie's programs were better than Mirai's. It's not that Mirai's were bad, but Joannie's were among the most sophisticated, well-choreographed programs in the field at least during the last couple of years. If Mirai had better programs that had matched Rochette's, then the result might have been better. Technically, I think that Mirai was better out there. She was clean and extremely fast. Rochette was fast, too, but not clean in her LP. She made at least two major mistakes. And she did not have 3-3 or 3A as Yuna and Mao did.
We're in the month of April already and someone is still b!tching about the Olympics. Shocking!
And Mao did not have a 3Lutz, a 3Salchow, and a 3toe like Yu-Na and Joannie did.
If you're going to scrutinize what one Olympic medalist lacked in jump content, you may as well be fair and specify what jumps the gold and silver medalist didn't have. Joannie so often gets criticized for not doing "difficult" technical content when in fact she's one of the very few ladies who does a full arsenal of triples minus the Axel.
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I kind of thought Mirai should have beat Joannie in the FS, but Joannie was ahead in the SP so maybe she still would have come out ahead even if Mirai beat her in the FS. However, in person the skating might have looked different. People talk about Joannie having a magical quality to her artistry and maybe that's only picked up on if you're watching the event live. Joannie was often ahead of other skaters who had better jumps in other competitions, because of her PCs, so I don't think it was a gift because her mother died. If they had really wanted to gift her, they would have given her the silver over Mao, because Mao did mess up some elements.
As you can see, her foot never left the ice either, nor did she fall. Falling is not a requirement for an Attempted Jump to be called as you seem to think by citing Mao's failed Triple Axel at the 2008 Worlds. Nevertheless, the Technical Panel counted that as an attempt per the protocol here: http://www.isuresults.com/results/gp..._FS_Scores.pdf If Kim had attempted another jump somewhere else in her program, she would have the 8th jumping pass voided as invalid.
Skaters make that kind of mental error all the time, Oda did at the 2009 Worlds by doing a 4th jumping combo for example. Skaters falling or stumbling on take off of an jump, never got into the air, got up or regroup and do it again = invalid. This happens more often at the lower level of skaters, so if you watch the Group 1 or 2 of SP at Worlds, you tend to see those lower level skaters making that kind of mistake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjgl_...elated#t=1m22s at 1m24s mark, you can hear Barbara Fusar-Poli calling it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yRTJ...elated#t=1m25s at 1m27s mark, you can see her stumble into her Triple Lutz combo
Joannie was already great two seasons ago but was not rewarded. Then after getting the reputation, she has come to be rewarded. Then even when she messed up at SC, she was rewarded.
I had Rochette second. I know I'm in the BIG minority in the skating world, but I had Asada for gold, Rochette for silver and Nagasu for bronze, with Kim fourth.