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    1. Plushenko- 'Kami-sama' god as they call him in Japan
    2. Takahashi- King
    3. Lambiel- Ruler
    4. Yagudin- I don't like the air positions of his jumps. His body to me is not inline while his elbows sticks out, making it seem sloppy at times, especially on edge jumps. Gets great height on jumps, always fully rotated quads, and with room to spare on 3A. His skills and presentation were not so much that it was better, but it was nicely packaged. Never won Russian nationals.... very likable attitude and passion.
    5. Joubert- 6 world medals speaks for his longevity.
    6. Weir- special skater, pure skating simply, breathtaking when seen live. Reminds me of Toller Cranston.
    7. Takeshi Honda- 3 quads in one program! Another skater overshadowed by in the era of Plushy/Yags/Elvis.
    8. Evan Lysacek- generic skating, nothing stands out about him. However no one can take away his work ethic leading up to OGM + WGM.
    9. Patrick Chan- he's better than Jeff Buttle
    10. Jeffrey Buttle- 3 time Canadian champ! World champ, Olympic Medal!!

    1. Michelle Kwan
    2. Mao Asada
    3. Yuna
    4. Shizuka Arakawa
    5. Sasha Cohen
    6. Fumie Suguri
    7. Irina Slutskaya
    8. Joannie Rochette
    9. Miki Ando
    10. Kimmie Meissner
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    I'll only do Ladies.

    1. Michelle Kwan
    2. Irina Slutskaya
    3. Yu-Na Kim
    4. Mao Asada
    5. Miki Ando
    6. Shizuka Arakawa
    7. Sasha Cohen
    8. Carolina Kostner
    9. Fumie Suguri
    10. Sarah Hughes


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    Alexei
    Michelle - Sasha
    Shen & Zhao

    They are the best EVER!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibi24 View Post
    4. Yagudin- I don't like the air positions on his jumps. His body to me is not inline with his elbows sticking out, making it seem sloppy at times, also takeoffs on edge jumps. Gets great height on jumps, always fully rotated quads, and with room to spare on 3A. His skills and presentation were not so much so that it was better, but that it was nicely packaged. Never won Russian nationals :P
    He never won Russian nationals and how sad that was.

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    I can only say who I enjoy the best in this decade
    Men-----Daisuke, Johnny and Yaguden
    Ladies -- Sasha and Mao (Tara is my all time favorite)
    Pairs --- Shen/Zhao and Aliona/Robin
    Dance -- Meryl/Charlie

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    Kwanford's List...

    Men
    1. Plushy (this kills me, but he DOMINATED for most of the decade. You can't deny either his place on top of this list or his place as one of the all time greats.

    2. Joubert - Plushy's number rival throughout the decade. And he's hot.

    3. Yags - if the decade were adjusted, he'd be on top but alack number 3 is as far as I can fairly place him.

    4. Buttle. I'm not a fan, but he deserves this spot

    5. Stephan. Again, not a fan but what can you do?

    6. Johnny. If he'd won an Olympic Medal, I'd have him higher.

    7. Timothy Goeble. If not for CoP and injuries...sigh

    8. Evan. He kept plugging away and working hard and now he's on DWTS

    9. The Japanese Men. This is where the real Asian Invasion is going to come...but not yet. I believe they have more to give and to add them too high is to fail in recognizing that their the best of their todays will be the worst of their tomorrows.

    Ladies

    1. Michelle Kwan. Seriously? I will spare Toni with my detailed analyst of why she's number 1. I can sum it up with: Red Violin, Fields of Gold, The Feeling Begins, Tosca and Song For You.

    2. Irina. The only one to truly compete with Kwan. Also, her entire story, career and 2005 season are the stuff of legends.

    3. Mao. Since she burst on the scene, has the story ever not been about her?

    4. Sasha. If she'd just held on during 2006...well. She'd be number 2. The entire decade had Sasha in the mix. We talk about Kwan's longevity, but what about Sasha's? With serious injuries. This girl is a monster.

    5. Yuna. She's had an amazing two years, but that does not a decade make. I sincerely hope she stays active because I don't think she's reached the apex of that tremendous talent.

    6. Fumie. Year after year, she's been in the mix. I love her determination and clutch ability.

    7. DivaKwara. The most matestic creature on ice with the hardward to prove her OGM wasn't a fluke.

    8. Miki. Not a shabby career no matter how you look at it... If she'd ever been able to translate that sick talent into a complete season, how different would this sport and list be?

    9. The US Ladies as storyline. Once Kwan & Cohen left, we US fans have been ready to anoint the next big thing and each of the current skaters have made (and sometimes failed to make) their case from Kimmie & Emily to MiRai & Racheal. None have pulled it off, but the back and forth has been fun to watch after a decade of superstars making on the bronze medal an interesting fight.

    Pairs and Dance are Shen & Zhao followed by Navka and that guy she skates with and Belbin & Agosto... I love these three teams so much, that it's pointless to pretend I have strong opinions on everybody else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife View Post
    Kwanford's List...

    Men
    1. Plushy (this kills me, but he DOMINATED for most of the decade. You can't deny either his place on top of this list or his place as one of the all time greats.

    2. Joubert - Plushy's number rival throughout the decade. And he's hot.

    3. Yags - if the decade were adjusted, he'd be on top but alack number 3 is as far as I can fairly place him.

    Ladies

    1. Michelle Kwan. Seriously? I will spare Toni with my detailed analyst of why she's number 1. I can sum it up with: Red Violin, Fields of Gold, The Feeling Begins, Tosca and Song For You.
    KW, you know that I love you and have always respected your opinion....a good snark every now and then. I think you bring such a good point about the decade....Plushy, first dominating??? Putting Alexei in 3rd place.....uh..........?????? So how does Michelle get 1st place???? Alexei & Michelle competed in the same time frame.

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    Michelle competed up to the end of 2004-2005 season, 3 more seasons than Yagudin Just for info, not that i say it as i have any objection to where to put alexei or if he should be first or anything, these kinds of lists are a bit..personnal? Someone can put Dmitrenko first in the list, fine by me, i m not a fan of lists in general, i cannot put things or people in numbers, i m a bit messy.
    I cracked up though with Kw saying Plushy, this it kills me Why?

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    Men:

    1. Plushenko
    2. Joubert
    3. Lambiel
    4. Yagudin (only has had first two years. I would put him in the first place if he continued)
    5. Buttle
    6. Takahashi
    7. Lysacek
    8. Weir
    9. Chan
    10. Oda

    Ladies:

    1. Kwan (duh!)
    2. Slutskaya
    3. Kim
    4. Asada
    5. Cohen
    6. Arakawa
    7. Kostner
    8. Ando
    9. Suguri
    10. Rochette

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    I think the decades fall wrong for this comparison. If we go from 1996-2005 (or 1995-2004), that's the Michelle decade. All the others can fight it out for 2005-2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I think the decades fall wrong for this comparison. If we go from 1996-2005 (or 1995-2004), that's the Michelle decade. All the others can fight it out for 2005-2014.
    Thanks Math, that's the point I was trying to make with KW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I think the decades fall wrong for this comparison. If we go from 1996-2005 (or 1995-2004), that's the Michelle decade. All the others can fight it out for 2005-2014.
    By the same comparison Yuna/Mao also could be thought of from 2006 - 2010 (with no end in sight yet).

    Certainly the first half of the 90's belong to Kristi with two WC's and an OGM.

    But from 2001 - 2006 a strong case could be made for Irina with an OSM and OBM and two WC's. I think Irina was more dominant than Michelle in the GP's in that time period and head to head Irina beat Michelle ummm....maybe 7 out of the last 10 times they competed.

    Shiz also has a WC and OGM in the 2001- 06 time period.

    So it could be said Kati owned the 80's, Kristi the first half of the 90's and Michelle the second half of the 90's. To ignore Irina's titles/medals feels more like a fan's opinion rather than what the record shows.

    From 2007 on the stats show Yuna with a slight edge over Mao.
    It would seem that if Yuna retires Mao will be the skater to compile the most titles/medals from 2010 up to 2014. But Yuna may continue and even get better

    Mao with a top full-time coach in charge of her training can also get better.

    Going back - what about Midori? Without the figures, and with a little better health and luck she could have a slot too.

    Despite this post I think these comparisons can get a little silly. It is not easy to say if Irina was really the best in the first half of this decade - but it is also hard to ignore her record and accomplishments. The same for Michelle.

    Kati has the titles and medals but when we go back and watch YouTube (some of us saw it in r/t) we can see how much better Midori was technically - enough to offset arguments about artistry - but unfortunately the school figures can't just be thrown under the rug. They were real and part of the competition.

    Chen-Lu won two Olympic medals and a WC and other medals in the 90's. For me thinking of the 90's with Midori, Kristi, Oksana, Yuka, Lulu, Tara and Michelle - what a decade of Ladies skating.

    This decade had Michelle, Irina, Shizuka, Sasha, Mao and Yuna. And Sarah, Miki and Joannie.....

    This post can easily be debated by Kwanatics and others.
    What I hope for is that this next decade will have as much great skating as the last two decades had.

    With Yuna and Mao it is off to a great start. Mirai has shown the talent and Kanako looks so promising. By 2014 we may have these four skaters and others I haven't mentioned.

    If the rebirth of the Russian ladies turns out to be real then this next decade has a chance to equal and maybe surpass the last two. Wouldn't that be nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Michelle competed up to the end of 2004-2005 season, 3 more seasons than Yagudin Just for info, not that i say it as i have any objection to where to put alexei or if he should be first or anything, these kinds of lists are a bit..personnal? Someone can put Dmitrenko first in the list, fine by me, i m not a fan of lists in general, i cannot put things or people in numbers, i m a bit messy.
    I cracked up though with Kw saying Plushy, this it kills me Why?
    It kills me because I know that Yags is the greaster ever, however, the thread was about the decade and we had two choices: be fair or be fans. I went with fair. If I was being a fan, I'd have Plushy no. 3 spot because I loved Yags skating more and Joubert is hotter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee4707 View Post
    KW, you know that I love you and have always respected your opinion....a good snark every now and then. I think you bring such a good point about the decade....Plushy, first dominating??? Putting Alexei in 3rd place.....uh..........?????? So how does Michelle get 1st place???? Alexei & Michelle competed in the same time frame.
    Now, Dee. Don't you be like that! The thread is this past decade 2000-2009. And within that timeframe, my list is fair. If we solely focused on making our favorites number 1 - my list would drop Mao, Yuna and Mikki and include Nicole, Tara, and maybe Maria B. Now, would that be fair? But let's be clear - Yags is the best male figure skater I've EVER seen... But he only competed until 2002. Don't hate the playa, hate the game (I know, I'm so gangsta with my hip hop talk)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife View Post
    I'd have Plushy no. 3 spot because I loved Yags skating more and Joubert is hotter.
    well, that sounds fair Although I thought Yags was hot too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlgpffps View Post
    This decade is now coming to an end. I think it's time for us to list "the skaters of this decade" starting from season 2000-2001 to now. The criteria are up to you, but I hope you do elaborate to make the discussion interesting. My criteria encompass titles, dominance, technical difficulty, impact, legacy and excellence in general.

    MEN:
    1. Yagudin: Can anyone dispute his first place? He was the complete package, hands down.
    2. Plushenko: Plushenko in 2006 was destined to strut into Torino and just take the medal. Pure dominance, charisma and technical prowess.
    3. Lambiel: One of my favorite skaters. He had the quads and the artistry. He's simply breathtaking on ice.
    4. Takahashi: If he had not been injured, his quad would have been in shape. He might have...
    5. Joubert: I actually like him. I'm sorry he is following Plushenko's footsteps (willowing choreography for hip shakes and big jumps), but raw talent wise he's up here. It's not as though he lacks artistry either. Watch some of his Ex performances. He also has great consistency.
    6. Buttle: His skating inspires me. He's lacking in titles, but his skates make up for it.
    7. Lysacek: His skating has yet to evoke emotions, but there's no denying his OGM, world gold and genius in milking CoP. I don't know about legacy though.
    8. Abott: a little underwhelming in terms of medals and Worlds placing, but he's very close to the whole package. His 2010 Nationals performances alone make me place him here.
    9. Abt: One of the most underrated skaters. He had what it takes to win big titles. It's just that he represented the same country as Yagudin and Plushenko.
    10. Sorry, really can't think of one. Maybe Chan?


    LADIES:
    1. Kwan: 2 World titles, OBM and 4 world medals, in addition to being one of the most loved skaters of all time. The greatest lady skater to have not won the OGM, but that matters very little in light of her legacy and grace on ice. What's left are the skates, not the medals.This is also the decade of Tosca, Aranjuez, Song of the Black Swan and the Red Violin.
    2. Kim: I would put her here for her Olympic performances alone. Add into that Roxanne, Danse Macabre and Lark Ascending, her gorgeous jumps, dominance and presence/authority on ice? Yes, I would be so brazen as to put her here. She's also the best SP skater of all time.
    3. Slutskaya: Two Worlds, two olympic medals, a heartbreaking story and triumphant performances. I have great respect for her. I still believe she should have won gold in 2002.
    4. Asada: Two Worlds and an olympic silver. I think she has officially jumped more 3As than Midori Ito. She's gorgeous to behold. Her soft knees make her seem as though she floats on ice.
    5. Arakawa: I had great difficulty choosing between Mao and Shizuka. Shizuka did win the best medal ever, the OGM, but she didn't stay on top long enough to change the sport and inspire youngsters. That's a pity since she had no weaknesses. Her donut spin was gorgeous. Her ina bauer, stunning. Her jumps, very impressive. I wish she just had greater consistency.
    6. Cohen: She wasn't that big of a nutcase, really. She never put together two clean performances, but it's not as though she pulled a Kostner 2009 all over the place and her international medals attest to that. She has set the standard for spins, had crisp, gorgeous skating. Second best SP skater. Artistically, very strong.
    7. Ando: first woman to land a quad, won 2007 worlds. Technically superb. Artistically weaker, but improving with time.
    8. Joannie: I would put her higher, but she has only a World silver and an Olympic bronze. Amazing skater, with great maturity, edges and artistry.
    9. Kostner: She was doing very difficult triple triple combinations (e.g. 3F-3Lo) with superb speed and precision. I don't know what has happened to her. I love her Canon SP.
    10. I really can't think of one. Perhaps Hughes?
    My list is similar to this, and the reasons as well, except the reason for Yuna being in the 2nd place. I think she has every quality and reason to be in the first place; artistry, technicality, speed, looks... her overall package in 2010 exceeds that of anyone in the list at their peak days. And not to forget her decisive Olympic victory with two historic and spectacular performances; she made figure skating look good.

    Despite all this, I would put her right behind Kwan because one crucial thing that is missing from her is longevity. Longevity is particularly important at her level, because as the top lady, she has extra responsibility of leading the sport and advancing it further by staying in the competition. Kwan stayed with the sport for a decade and made long lasting contributions, one of them being the inspiration she gave to young skaters around the world like, well, Yuna. If Yuna stays with competitions and contributes for a few more years as she has done for the last a few seasons, she will be the undisputed queen of the sport of the last half century, in my book.
    Last edited by parma; 04-16-2010 at 12:32 PM.

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