I guess I'm still not sure what your point is.Originally Posted by Mathman
Therefore you're at a disadvantage compared with skaters who can do all the jumps. You don't have enough different triples to fill all the available jump slots, so you have to repeat double axel instead of including a jump that would be worth at least 1.5 more.I never bothered to learn a Salchow or a loop, and all I can do is flutz.
Plus, it's probably not a case that you "never bothered to learn" a triple salchow or loop. More likely you did try, especially with the salchow, but didn't succeed in mastering it for some reason.
Double salchow is almost always the first double that skaters learn and very often the first triple they attempt, right after they learn the single or double axel respectively, because of the similarities between the salchow and axel technique and the fact that it requires the least actual rotation in the air to count as a clean double or triple. Once they get the hang of rotating 2 or 3 times in the air, though, the toe loop will probably be a more consistent jump for most skaters, and for a rare few the flip and/or lutz will come easier.
Tonia Kwiatkowski come to mind as a skater who struggled with the triple salchow in juniors and dropped it from her repertoire for most of her senior career.
What might be more of a concern would be that skaters for whom the toe jumps come easier would not bother to continue training their inconsistent triple salchow or consistently not rotated triple loop once they have several other triples they can use. Especially when the lutz and flip are explicitly worth more points and the number of jump passes allowed is limited.
But if the skater can do triple loop and can do triple flutz but not true lutz, there's no advantage to repeating the flutz and omitting the loop. Unless the loop is just as likely to get downgraded and/or have other -GOE errors as the flutz is to get the edge call and -GOE.
So what's the problem? The skaters with better jump content placed better.But I just won the bronze medal, losing only to a skater who also did a four flutz program but had a triple-triple (silver) and an imaginary skater who has both a 3Lz+3T and a 3F+3T (imaginary gold.)
Note that the silver medalist likewise omitted the loop, and the gold medalist would have won anyway if she omitted the loop and replaced it with a double Axel.
And if someone had come out and done the same content as you, with distinctly different takeoffs on the lutz and flip, all else being equal, they would have beaten you too.
Is the concern that you, with five clean (aside from the lutz takeoff edge) triples of three different kinds, one of the repeated types flawed on the takeoff in a way that made it virtually the same as the other repeated type (i.e., four flip-like triples and one triple toe), ahead of other unmentioned skaters who also landed five clean triples but of four or five distinct kinds?
I don't think you can beat them just by planning higher-point-value jumps and fudging the takeoffs of one of them. You'd also have to be better at actually landing those jumps or better at skating or spinning (or spirals, since you're a senior lady in this hypothesis) or presentation.
There are other ways to achieve that goal without eliding the difference between a correct lutz and a correct flip.I think the thrust of the proposal is to prevent skaters from loading up on high scoring toe pick jumps to the extent that edge jumps become irrelevant.