I say do whatever her heart desires. Go with her feelings and where it's leading her.
Lets not put Shiz in the pop-in, pop-out Olympic Gold medalist camp. Don't forget that Shiz had been competing for nearly 10 years when she won Gold in SLC. She was at the 1998 Olympics in Nagano. She was 16 at the time and placed 13th. She did not make the Olympic team in 2002. She was all set to retire in 2004 but winning the World Championship that year changed her mind. So even though she did retire after she won Gold she was not take the medal and run winner. Since her retirement among other things she has continued to skate professionally and like Kristi Y has kept up her technique and her artistry has improved immensely.
Originally Posted by blue_idealist
Last edited by demarinis5; 04-22-2010 at 06:52 PM.
Shiz may not have "popped in" but she certainly did "pop out". Can't deny that
My wish for Yu Na....stay competitive another year and take back the world champion title.
In the midst of all this, some changes are speculated to happen; new agency to represent her, being one of the changes.
At the moment the music was to start for the Long Program, I was so conscious of the pressure YuNa was under. The entire country of Korea must have been watching her and expecting gold and no less. The only time I've seen similar pressure is at the beginning of Cathy Freeman's 400-meter final at the Sydney summer games. I can't imagine anyone wanting to continue such a stressful existence. So if YuNa retires from competitive skating, I'll certainly understand. As for leaving a legacy, that's already assured. She's virtually built Korean skating, and she hasn't just won, she's won decisively, with jumps of a quality that no one else seems able to match.
She's not like Michelle or Katarina Witt, the skaters with long careers whose names are evoked most often in terms of a legacy. Both of those ladies skated for substantial skating powers and were not bearing the hopes of a country on their shoulders. Just consider--both times that Michelle tried for Olympic gold, it was won by another American. As for Witt, she skated for East Germany at a time when the Eastern bloc and indeed most of Europe tended to vote as one. Not that she didn't deserve her golds, but she must have had the extra confidence of being supported by her federation.
I think that no one really understands the intensity of stress on YuNa. I'd love to see her skate for a long time to come, but if she doesn't, I can't fault her. Maybe there's a way for her to skate in shows and break new artistic boundaries. Can you imagine the audiences in the U.S. and her second home, Canada, if she headlines in SOI? And there are a lot of shows in Asia. Maybe that's the ideal path for her. Whatever she chooses, she has earned a place in skating history.
Last edited by Olympia; 04-23-2010 at 09:38 AM.
MY TVC 1 5
Is it that being a pro makes some skaters feel like they aren't in the whole FS mix? Most of all why do we hear these things and think if they say they will retire they will. lol
Originally Posted by Joesitz
There should be no shame in being a pro. I think she should be influenced by someone like Plushy and his performance. He is clearly a less "solid" than in years past - if it wasn't for his windmill arms i would have hardly recognized his footwork at times. She may not want to go thru something like that. Regardless of still being one of the best, personally getting worse and then letting the world see you in competition ... could feel degrading. I will remember Plushy now for less of a skater than he was in 2006. He just is not as good. There is a point where your personal integrity needs to come into play and know, even IF you could win it all - if you are not as good as the years past just go pro. I think Yu na feels this fear and also knows that Korea has someone in the wings. And the new skater has the knowledge they have learned from Yu na +. The Koreans (or anyone for that matter) likely does not want to be a "one hit wonder" and there is a new skater in the wings of the Korean dormitories I am sure.
Oh and what about that FANTASTIC coach. I think they have learned a thing or two from him as well.
Even if you are the best in your country, are you better, are you still better than the world? - that would be the hardest thing to answer imo.
Whatever she does she should be proud of HER personal accomplishments and make the decision HERSELF! Personally I think she should take at least a year off from comp and make appearances (like Denver and then just see how she feels next September 2011.
It is not like she could be the first skater to come out of retirement. lol - it is a lot of Hype either way i.m.o.
Skating is art, if you let it be.
So, any skater who wins Olympic Gold and doesn't stay in amateur competition counts as "popping out" then.
Originally Posted by R.D.
Shen & Zhao, why did you have to "pop out" on us like that? Why couldn't you compete at Worlds? How disrespectful.
as far as yu-na is concerned-she can do what she wants and what she feels is best. however if she skates lackadaisy like she did at worlds, like sarah did at worlds-than no she shouldn't comback-- as far as pop out skaters --yes--shen & zhou-in 2010--evegeny if he doesn't come back--no shizuka isn't cause she skated until the 2006 olympic-unfortunately didn't go worlds.
all the skaters who went to nationals and/or worlds and or gp/international events the years leading from one olympic to the other olympics--say 1998-2002 or 2002-2006; 2006-2010 i don't considered pop out
they are pop in /pop out if they announce retirement inbetween and than show up the year of the olympics and retire automatically---like zhen/zhou/ --evgeny hasnt retired yet so i am not sure;;sasha is a pop in skater--didn't announce retirement but didnt skate competively for 4 years and poped in for nationals .
like brian boitano did in 1994 all the skaters who came back and skated in 1994 to me are considered pop in and pop/out sole purpose skate in olympics only.
pop-in/pop out is a skater who just wants to get in for the olympics and quit/
i am not talking about injured skaters but those few which seems are becoming increasinly more.
stephane lambiel--pop in pop out-- and zhen/zhou--not bad pop out cause did compete until 2008 season but still annouced retirement.
for me if you are going to retire and announce stay retired otherwise compete at least in you own nationals to keep the competive feel going.
It's really a matter of her state of mind after she had a chance to rest and recover from the Olympic experience. So far, she has been far too busy since Vancouver to really think about her future. When that time comes, she need to think about what she has achieved so far and what she wants to achieve in her life. She has to think about what she really wants to do and do it. Whatever she choose, it must be a decision she is totally comfortable with.
She must also think about whether what she has achieve at the Olympic is the limit of what she can achieve. She may feel that she will never be able to top the two performances she gave at Vancouver. In that case, she may decide to retire from competition as she would have little motivation if she feel that she has done the best that she ever could in the biggest stage of her life. However, if she feel that there is more that she can do in figure skating, she should continue to compete to find the her true limits.
As for personal opinion, I paraphrase Brian Orser, "It's only the beginning." I agree with his sentiment. I think she has the tools to take the sport of ladies figure skating even further. She is just 19 and really only starting to mature as a person. I believe she can transform her programs into a truly transcendental experience for herself and the audience. She is on the cusp of being able to do this. If she competes longer, I believe she can gain the maturity needed to become even less self-conscious in her programs and truly lose herself in her programs to push the sport and herself into a higher level. To be in the zone of unconscious perfection... to make her programs into true works of art. That I think is a goal worth pursuing. It will take a tremendous amount of will power and dedication to be able to achieve that. Only she know if she has it in her to challenge herself in this way. I truly hope that she will because she has so much potential.
I agree with most points Phoenix347 made.
Originally Posted by Phoenix347
What I want to know is... is it only possible by remaining in competitive skating?
I mean, what if they can perform more creative, artistically preferable programs as a pro skate without judging or restrictions of rules?
I know many skaters do not show their best, most challenging skills in the ice shows. However, some skaters seem to develop their artistic side more freely after they retires from competition.
Skating is not ballet... skaters will do their best to win or get higer scores. But is this the only way to make truly trenscendental performances?
I think Yuna will skate for a while. Thank God she is still healthy. Imo there is a room for further development as a competitive skater or a pro skater. Hope she will follow her heart.
Hey now, did I say it was a bad thing to do?
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
Perfectly understandable since the motivation takes a dip afterwards...
Dreaming and dancing
Yeah, Shizuka improved dramatically after her retirement while keeping her techniques.
Originally Posted by sunny0760
I tend to enjoy competitions a lot more, but for skaters who have direct interactions with the audience, ice shows may be equally rewarding in a different way.
Beliver in Sasha's Perfect Program
Yes, but it is hard to become a legend as a pro. Not that Yu-na does not have the competitive track record to back it up, but if she could stay around for another olympic cycle with new amazing programs and new world records each year, Michelle Kwan will pale in comparison. This girl could become legendary....but she had to decide if that is what she wants.
Originally Posted by sunny0760
But the question is does Yuna really want to achieve that goal? Based on her interviews and articles...I tend to say no.
Originally Posted by Tinymavy15