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    This is just in this morning, I am still in shock re: a number of changes that are being proposed. There are so many changes, even I haven't been able to digest all of it. But I thought some of you would be extremely interested to know a few major ones that are coming up, especially if you are a Mao or Yu Na fan.

    - Ladies will now be allowed to do a Triple Axel in lieu of a Double Axel in the SHORT PROGRAM

    I certainly didn't see this coming, as do many other observers.

    In addition, the SP will now consist of 7 required elements, as opposed to 8. Men will be doing only 1 step sequence instead of two. Spiral Sequence will now be removed as a required element for ladies in the SP but will be considered as part of transitions if executed. This change will presumably increase the weight of jumps overall, favoring someone like Brian Joubert for example whose relative poor step sequences hold him back against Chan or Takahashi.

    Separate proposal is being made to give a 10% bonus base value for jumps done in a jump combination. For example, Triple Lutz + Triple Toe has a Base Value of 6 + 4 = 10. Under the new proposal, it will now receive a 10% bonus for a total base value of 11, prior to the application of GOE.

    Another big change is that men will now be allowed to try two different types of Quads in the SP. Previously, if a skater did, say a Quad Salchow + Triple Toe as a jump combo, he will not be able to do another Quad as a solo jump, even if that Quad is not a Salchow. The proposed change will now allow the said skater to do another Quad as a solo jump provided that it is a different type of Quad. This change will likely push men who are able and willing to include two Quads in the SP. Such change will greatly favor men like Kevin Reynolds who consistently lands two different types of Quads, he will be delighted by this kind of change. But I expect more men will now try to do another Quad other than the Toe Loop as well, this is potentially huge for men.

    - No change to the number of elements performed or maximum allowed in the Free Skate but the second Step Sequence for Men will now receive a fixed base value ( ), same goes for the Spiral Sequence in the Free Skate for Ladies

    - Spiral Sequence (Ladies) in the FS will now have an All or Nothing clause if the requirement is not fully met

    This can be potentially be quite serious and scary IMO because it used to be you will still get some points even if the element is downgraded, but someone like Mirai Nagasu who has had trouble meeting all the requirements in her Spiral could see that element be given a zero for instance.

    - Double Axel can only be performed a maximum of two times in the Free Skate, as opposed to three

    This last change will hurt someone like Yu-Na Kim the most, who heavily relies on three Double Axels to compensate for the lack of a Triple Loop.

    - Moves in the field will now be given extra attention in order to reward transitions

    Honestly, a vague clause like this will continued to be ignored in practice and someone like Plushenko will continue to receive outrageous transition marks inconsistent with his level of skating

    There will also be a cap on the number of actual entries into the World Championships and all skaters must meet a minimum total score internationally in order to be eligible to enter into the Worlds by their federation. Qualifying Round for certain lower rank skaters will be re-introduced so that top skaters will not have to qualify like before.

    There is a lot of changes, I am summarizing the major highlights to give you guys a heads up.

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    Urk! Some of this could be terrifying..no? Just on the face of it, wouldn't you think it will be fairly splat inducing ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen o'neill View Post
    Urk! Some of this could be terrifying..no? Just on the face of it, wouldn't you think it will be fairly splat inducing ?
    I am troubled by the Triple Axel in Ladies SP proposal. This move is inconsistent with the history of this sport. Such change is generally not introduced until the said skill becomes fairly standard among world level competitors. To me, this decision is driven by the need of $ and marketing where the sport is currently heavily dependent on Asia for its revenue, at the expense of many other considerations, including the well-being of skaters.

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    So the rumor was true. Who proposed all these?

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    I like all of the changes. 3A option as the axel jump will put Mao on par with Yu-na if she hits hit. Two quads in the short should be exciting and Reynolds will certainly benefit from this ! Most of all I like the third change. There were just two many entries this year at Worlds, half the skaters in first two groups could not even land a clean double axel. I'm sorry, but to be able to skate at worlds, one must be able to execute that jump. Unfortunately, it does hurt skaters like Clara Peters, who will likely only be able to skate Euros until she, or if she, develops triple jumps.

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    Thanks for the report Wally. It is alot to digest........

    I wuz wondering - anything proposed about URs or other technical aspects of jumps?

    ETA: Are the rule changes you listed such as the 3A just proposals - and not adopted yet?

    Seems to me if that rule came to a vote alot of money would need to be flying around to get it passed.
    With only one Lady currently attempting this jump it seems as you mentioned it's time has not come yet.
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    wallylutz, thank you for your summary above. Some of these proposals are indeed shocking. Based on your experience, do you think the ones you listed above will all be passed? Is it pretty much a done deal?

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    The new Short Dance is still as vague as ever...


    I gotta digest all of this better, but right now I'll say I so hope the proposal for vocal music in Singles and Pairs gets aproved..

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Thanks for the report Wally. It is alot to digest........

    I wuz wondering - anything proposed about URs or other technical aspects of jumps?

    ETA: Are the rule changes you listed such as the 3A just proposals - and not adopted yet?

    Seems to me if that rule came to a vote alot of money would need to be flying around to get it passed.
    With only one Lady currently attempting this jump it seems as you mentioned it's time has not come yet.
    So are you and Wallylutz implying that the Japanese federation are going to be bribing the ISU with money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chloepoco View Post
    So are you and Wallylutz implying that the Japanese federation are going to be bribing the ISU with money?
    Whatever gave you that idea

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    http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1859

    Go to this link for info

    Page 52 would be a good place to start if you don't have a lot of time
    Last edited by tarotx; 04-30-2010 at 04:25 PM.

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    Wallylutz - You're so right re: the 3A...fears for the skaters' well being was the first thing that came to my mind...but it hasn't been adopted yet, has it? I would imagine ..well, hope that this would meet stiff resistance.

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    These are actual rule changes or just proposals? I thought the ISU meeting isn't until June to decide on new changes. If they are proposals, what's the chance of them being passed? It seems the brunt of the changes are targeted to square the score difference between Yuna and Mao. The 3a proposal doesn't really hurt Yuna very much because of the score cushion she has. It would, however, hurt Mao's close competitors like Joannie, whose scores usually very are close with Mao's. The maximimum 2a requirement will definitely hurt Yuna, as she rarely does a 3lp in competition. She excludes the jump, I believe, because it exacerbates her back injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chloepoco View Post
    So are you and Wallylutz implying that the Japanese federation are going to be bribing the ISU with money?
    Can't speak for janetfan or the Wallylutz, but I interpreted it as the money spent to lobby to the ISU. My guess is that the Japanese Fed. spent a ton of money in between meetings, research and other related things to get this rule passed. It may also include phone calls, letters to ISU decision makers. Long-distance calls are expensive!

    Let's face asking for anything costs lots of money if you're going to convince people to support it and to vote for it. It's just like getting something passed in your national government.
    Last edited by Mrs. P; 04-30-2010 at 04:39 PM.

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    I'm also confused. So these are just propositions? The new rules concerning spirals and steps are very vague; if they get passed, I'd like to get more in detail about what exactly the changes will be.
    I'm not sure what the fuss about the 3A is... Yes it's clear that the Japanese fed is probably pushing for this since it really only concerns Mao Asada; but maybe it will inspire younger skaters to learn the jump? I don't know. The double axel is a pretty boring jump and I'd be interesting that the difficulty of SPs could be boosted. Same for the limit to 2As in the FS. Do more interesting jumps!

    Otoh; the whole negativity surrounding COP about it being too demanding, too difficult, creating jumping beans might only get worse if rules like this get passed... So maybe I do have mixed feelings on the subject.

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