Major Changes Expected in Single Skating in 2010-2011

[brownfox]

Well great, maybe the new rule will push her out of her comfort zone and do the 3a. So the potential new rule is not intended just for Mao, why am I not surprise?

You're kidding right? That was the time Yuna didn't have any issues with her back and hip. Now, who knows.

[FlattFan]

In the 2007-2008 season, the then new rule started to penalize flutz and underrotation a lot more. Mao was at the short end of the stick then. Now, she has a bit more advantage, who cares. It's not like she does 3T for 3A value. She has to do a 3A in the short program to get 3A value. I don't understand why people are so worked up over this. If she can do 3A, she should get points for doing 3A. WTH.

[janetfan]

In the 2007-2008 season, the then new rule started to penalize flutz and underrotation a lot more. Mao was at the short end of the stick then. Now, she has a bit more advantage, who cares. It's not like she does 3T for 3A value. She has to do a 3A in the short program to get 3A value. I don't understand why people are so worked up over this. If she can do 3A, she should get points for doing 3A. WTH.

I have argued against this rule (more for perceived politics) but you put it in a a perspective that makes sense.
You are absolutely right that Mao's performances were effected when the edge and UR rules got stricter. Some might say she is still trying to adapt to them.

Maybe this new axel rule will get more Ladies pushing the envelope. We will have to wait and see how it developes over the next few seasons.

[gkelly]

Additional ISU communication with more changes for singles/pairs:

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/pa...v-list,00.html

Are they a done deal, suggested by the fact that this is a separate ISU communication from the congress proposals?

Or do they need to be voted on, suggested by the phrase "the following language would be recommended"?

Here's the intermediate rotation proposal. Works for me.

Additional feature for step sequences -- half the sequence on one foot. About time!

Removal of some features for spins -- both directions only counts in camel or sit position. Edge change only counts in camel or forward sit.

There go my chances of ever getting level 3 on a spin. Not that I'll probably ever compete under IJS.

[rtureck]

Additional ISU communication with more changes for singles/pairs:

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/pa...v-list,00.html


Removal of some features for spins -- both directions only counts in camel or sit position. Edge change only counts in camel or forward sit.

There go my chances of ever getting level 3 on a spin. Not that I'll probably ever compete under IJS.

Besides camel and sit spins what other spins do prs usullly do?

[Wrlmy]

Besides camel and sit spins what other spins do prs usullly do?

Many skaters change edge in upright spin. I believe I've also seen Fumie perform a change-edge layback.

[rtureck]

Many skaters change edge in upright spin. I believe I've also seen Fumie perform a change-edge layback.

Thanks,I just thinking about pairs side by side spins, they usually do camel and sit. So do the new rules really impact the pairs tht much?

[miki88]

Finally! These are the changes that I have been waiting for. I really like these new rules on downgrades and rescaling of all the jumps. Out of all the new changes, I think these are the ones that will affect most skaters. I am hoping this get passed.

[Wrlmy]

Thanks,I just thinking about pairs side by side spins, they usually do camel and sit. So do the new rules really impact the pairs tht much?

Maybe not as much as singles, but it definitely reduces options. I'm not too fond of this change edge feature to begin with, but it's nothing short of amazing how ISU comes up with multitude of ideas to micromanage the aspects of performance every single year.

[Mathman]

Additional ISU communication with more changes for singles/pairs:

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/pa...v-list,00.html

Good grief, here is the whole ball of wax. Jumps under-rotated by 1/4 to 1/2 revolution receive 70% of base value. Jumps under-rotated by 1/2 revolutioon are downgraded.

Base value of triple Axel goes up to 8.5 (from 8.2). Base value of quad toe goes up to 10.3 (from 9.8). Double Axel goes down to 3.3 (from 3.5)

I think this needs a new thread.

[rtureck]

Maybe not as much as singles, but it definitely reduces options. I'm not too fond of this change edge feature to begin with, but it's nothing short of amazing how ISU comes up with multitude of ideas to micromanage the aspects of performance every single year.

I agree with the micromanaging part. I think the new spin rules has less impact on pairs. So under new spin rules which single skaters will be impact most?

[Figure88]

Additional ISU communication with more changes for singles/pairs:

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/pa...v-list,00.html

Are they a done deal, suggested by the fact that this is a separate ISU communication from the congress proposals?

Or do they need to be voted on, suggested by the phrase "the following language would be recommended"?

I'm far from the expert, but at a glance, they don't seem like finalized rules to me. First, shouldn't a title for a finalized rule be something like "Rule 1611" rather than "Communication 1611"? Also, it's being presented with other documents, informing of someone's death or minutes of a meeting. They look like internal memos to circulate information. But then, there's the phrase "language recommended for the new rules" suggests that there are new rules going into effect?? So confusing, I'm not sure.

[gkelly]

I'm far from the expert, but at a glance, they don't seem like finalized rules to me. First, shouldn't a title for a finalized rule be something like "Rule 1611" rather than "Communication 1611"?

ISU communications are official documents that the ISU puts out to communicate with the member federations and other interested parties. They generally have the force of rules. Most tweaks to the scale of values, level definitions, etc., that occur each year are promulgated in ISU communications. See, e.g., ISU communication 1505 from last year, ISU comm. 1494, etc.

But those don't start out saying that the language is recommended -- they just go ahead and announce the changes. So that's why I'm confused -- are these only recommendations or are these changes already official? (And if so when is the effective date?)

[Figure88]

ISU communications are official documents that the ISU puts out to communicate with the member federations and other interested parties. They generally have the force of rules. Most tweaks to the scale of values, level definitions, etc., that occur each year are promulgated in ISU communications. See, e.g., ISU communication 1505 from last year, ISU comm. 1494, etc.

Thank you.