I think it is perfectly defensible to believe that the ISU technical committee feels that this change will, in the long run, be in the best interests of the development of the sport. And that's why they recommend passage of the new rule.
In the event, it may turn out that only one skater -- or none -- is ever able to take advantage of this rule. I do not see how that is indisputable evidence regarding the reason why the ISU committee took the action they did.
Originally Posted by 100yenOK, I can't help myself. "Thesaurus." "All right."Originally Posted by Robeye
If they're going to increase the base points of a 3Lz+3T combo to 11 why aren't they increasing the value of the triple axel (at least for the women)? Yuna is going to score 14 points now for that combo while Asada will still only be scoring 8-9ish even though the triple axel is a lot harder than the 3+3 combo... they should increase the triple axel value for women to at least 16-17 points.
As long as the combination bonus is based on the value of both jumps, just do a 3A+1T combination and earn an extra 10% of the value of the 3A plus a few tenths more.
Of course that uses up a combo slot, so it would be better to do 3A+2T if possible.
Sometimes, however, there is one or maybe two who show innovative musical footwork which is great to watch, sort of like tap dancers do. The rest of the 28 competitors do the standard footwork by the rules - just boring for me.
I am sure we will select the "best" skater in a competition and you will call it great artistry and I will call it a great presentation.
And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the report is true about Mishin starting to be successful with teaching the girls the 3axel, if the Russians aren't also pushing for this rule to change too. IF reports about Elizaveta having the 3axel are true, it might not be just Mao next year who takes advantage of the rule.
But in any case, the point I was making was that I have no reason to doubt that the committee felt that making this change was in the interests of figure skating a whole. Rather than just cheating to help Mao win something next year and get more money from Japanese television.
The triple axel is very difficult, yes, but don't be fooled into thinking a 3-3 is easier. If it was, then why aren't more women doing it? I can count on my two hands the number of women that did a 3-3 at Worlds and on one hand who did a tougher one than the 3T-3T.
It is not easy to keep your speed and flow to rotate that second triple. If you don't have enough speed or your first jump isn't precise you are at risk of UR (or doubling) the second jump.
Besides the Triple Axel as single jump is already 37 percent higher in base value than the triple lutz, the next most difficult jump. (The difference between a lutz from a flip and so forth is only about 9 percent).
I'm all for increasing the value of 3A ONLY IF judges are willing to count the rotation, penalize under/pre rotations, and watch out the backward take-offs as much as they do with other triple jumps.
Actually I think some of the reason they are doing this under the current rules, Mao was insanely punished if she got her 3axel downgraded, while Yu-na not nearly if a 3toe was downgraded. Now I actually think the callers might feel more comfortable downgrading Mao's 3axel. Because getting a downgraded triple axel will only put her at the level of others.I'm all for increasing the value of 3A ONLY IF judges are willing to count the rotation, penalize under/pre rotations, and watch out the backward take-offs as much as they do with other triple jumps.
OT (but since the comment itself was OT...), while some grammatical purists insist that "alright" is not all right, others are of the view that it has reached the level of widespread usage that justifies acceptance, particularly where an informal tone is appropriate. May I point out that not only is it synonymous with "OK", but has traveled a similar evolutionary path toward respectability, first among the great unwashed (I guess that would be me), and now increasingly among grammarians?
On the other hand, 100yen, I must admit (but only with the greatest reluctance) that "thesarus" is either a misspelling or a typo (that's typographical error to you, Mathman). If you're feeling up to a fight, though, I'd suggest arguing that it's a faithful transcription of a regional pronunciation. Man, guys like us have got to watch our backs here and start using spellcheck (although it's kind of amusing to see hawks swooping down to catch nits (that's very tiny insects to you, Mathman, as well as a colloquial term referring to inconsequential errors (cf. "nitpicking"). I mean, how hungry do you have to be to do that?)
Last edited by Robeye; 05-03-2010 at 05:00 AM.