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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Mao got 207 at Nationals for a DGed 3A in the SP. 1 3A and 2 2A in the LP.
    At the Olympics, she got 203 or something for 3 3As. How do you say inflation in Japanese? Mao Asada. The US is by far the least inflated, true for its currency and true for figure skating.
    Mao got a 204 (with a DG 3A in the short; and a DG 2T in the long), just one point more than her Olympics results (which has a DG flip and a popped triple toe in the LP).

    It is seven points more than her Worlds score of 197. (But there were two 3A DG).

    I have a feeling that if it was Mirai with a 18 point difference between her Nationals and Olympics score, you wouldn't be singing the same tune.
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    I think this is the right comparison of Rachael's scores and Mirai's.

    U.S. Nationals: Rachael 200.11. Mirai (with 11.22 points given back for the three URs and the ! call) 199.12

    Olympics: Rachael (with 7.98 points given back for URs) 190.47. MiraI 190.15.

    200.11 versus 199.12 and 190.27 versus 190.15.

    Remembering that National championships always inflate scores by about ten points, this looks like a dead heat to me, and nothing to be outraged about. Unless, of course, we want to be outraged at the tech specialists for calling all those downgrades in the first place.

    As for whose performances we liked best, that is a separate issue. To me, Mirai can blow everyone out of the water on the performance side, but Rachael is right behind her and has those big jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Mao got a 204 (with a DG 3A in the short; and a DG 2T in the long), just one point more than her Olympics results (which has a DG flip and a popped triple toe in the LP).

    It is seven points more than her Worlds score of 197. (But there were two 3A DG).

    I have a feeling that if it was Mirai with a 18 point difference between her Nationals and Olympics score, you wouldn't be singing the same tune.
    But Mao only did 1 3A at nationals. and she took out some transition (spread eagle before the 2A comes to mind). Her score was inflated as was everyone else. That was the point.
    I don't care for Mirai so whatever feeling you have is inconsequential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    And it feels more normal to see Mao with 200 scores. She has done it several times now at Natl and ISU events.

    The US has one skater with marks that stick out like a polar bear in Panama. 200 at Natls but 180 or less at most ISU events. Talk infllation all you want but the 20 points I refer to make Japan look much more consistent. And Mao has many ways to score points besides her 3A because her skating is of the highest quality.

    Only skaters with exceptional skills can get 200 points at ISU events.
    Yeah, that might as well be Rachael.Who.Has.5.Different.Triples and consistently put 7 triples in LP and triple triple in both SP and LP.
    When was the last time Mao had 6 ratified triples in a LP? Not in 2010, Not in 2009.
    Only skaters with exceptional skills should get 200 points at ISU events. AGREE.

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    ^ Still, Mao Asada is a much better skater than any American lady at the present time. She skates at the world class level. Our ladies have a ways to go, I'm afraid.

    Her high school, 10% in the top 10% of the class.
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    MM, the top three US ladies are clearly world class. Mirai finished just off the podium after the 3 heavily favored skaters. She gave 2 fab skates at the biggest event there is. Age 16 and rather childlike in personality and maturity, she already a magical creature on the ice. Flatt per you was called wrong and should have been right behind Nagasu. Wagner could not get there sadly as we sent two. I bet she too would have kicked butt! Our top three are world class skaters. Mao is special, no doubt and I think the very best right now. What exactly do you consider world class? Mirai and Flatt out skated Miki Ando, the world champion with way more experience.
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    I guess I meant that none of the U.S. ladies is currently in a position seriously to contend for a World Championship. The last three years we have not placed high enough even to get three spots for Worlds. Or medal at the Grand Prix Final. Or win any international competitions.

    We're gaining on it, though. Maybe next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I guess I meant that none of the U.S. ladies is currently in a position seriously to contend for a World Championship. The last three years we have not placed high enough even to get three spots for Worlds. Or medal at the Grand Prix Final. Or win any international competitions.

    We're gaining on it, though. Maybe next year.
    Yes. Defnitely, next year!! They can do it and they will do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Yes it does. Which is ridiculous. They don't just take summer courses, they just run off to Santa Clara and take fall, winter, spring courses. So I said even some full time Stanford students couldn't handle the competition, Rachael definitely cannot with her skating schedule.
    Thanks for your explanations. That seems like a waste of money and opportunity. They pay very expensive tuition to study at one of the best private institutions in the US. Why don't they use that opportunity to enhance their studies? Even if they get better credits at an easier school, eventually they face trouble for not mastering what they should have done earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Thanks for your explanations. That seems like a waste of money and opportunity. They pay very expensive tuition to study at one of the best private institutions in the US. Why don't they use that opportunity to enhance their studies? Even if they get better credits at an easier school, eventually they face trouble for not mastering what they should have done earlier.
    It is not quite so cut and dry - just as assuming every professor at Stanford is a superior scholar or teacher to every professor at Santa Clara. There are some professors who might prefer teaching at Santa Clara or even a junior college as opposed to Stanford for any variety of reasons.

    Sometimes scheduling and class availablity plays a part in a student's choice to take courses at a different school. When I was a student I took my major with a teacher off campus because he had skills and presented opportunies that far surpassed what was available from any of the professors on campus.

    Many times students need courses to fulfil the requirements of their major even if such courses will have little or no bearing on their future professional careers.
    In certain cases is it so bad to work hardest on what will be more important to your future and maybe slack off a little on a course that although required may not be important in the future?

    There are many possibilties and situations. Giving the benefit of the doubt here - students accepted at Stanford have a proven record of success in high school. If they choose to study off campus for whatever reason I don't necessarily see it as them throwing away opportunity or as a waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Thanks for your explanations. That seems like a waste of money and opportunity. They pay very expensive tuition to study at one of the best private institutions in the US. Why don't they use that opportunity to enhance their studies? Even if they get better credits at an easier school, eventually they face trouble for not mastering what they should have done earlier.
    I don't mean it like that. They only avoid certain classes and certain professors. Stanford is very generous with grades. I believe the average GPA is 3.5+. But med school admissions in the US is really brutal. 3.5 would not cut it, even from Stanford.
    Plus, if you're taking intro chem or whatever, you wouldn't get much out of the best private institution in the world anyway. . I only know a few who did it. It wasn't a wide spread phenomenon, just some pre-med kids who found a loop hole and made a run for it. Rachael is doing bio, pre-med, and thinking about med school. If she's doing women's studies or some random thing Alissa Czisny was doing, I wouldn't have brought it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by princess9 View Post
    MM, the top three US ladies are clearly world class. Mirai finished just off the podium after the 3 heavily favored skaters. She gave 2 fab skates at the biggest event there is. Age 16 and rather childlike in personality and maturity, she already a magical creature on the ice. Flatt per you was called wrong and should have been right behind Nagasu. Wagner could not get there sadly as we sent two. I bet she too would have kicked butt! Our top three are world class skaters. Mao is special, no doubt and I think the very best right now. What exactly do you consider world class? Mirai and Flatt out skated Miki Ando, the world champion with way more experience.
    Um, no.

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    Am I the only one here who actually thinks that Miki Ando is a very good skater? I see how Mirai on a good day is maybe a bit better but I find Miki superior to Rachael at this point....

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Am I the only one here who actually thinks that Miki Ando is a very good skater? I see how Mirai on a good day is maybe a bit better but I find Miki superior to Rachael at this point....
    Miki has the potential to be a great skater, as we see in practice and in exhibitions. In practice she is landing double axel/triple toe, 3/3 combos, skates with speed and attack. In exhibitions she can very very expressive (requiem was fantastic) and somehow has much better extensions and posture. In competition she suffers from Caroline Zhang syndrome (self-conciseness, does not "sell" the choreography). Lately she waters down her programs, and without her big jumps, there is nothing which seperates her from the pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    Miki has the potential to be a great skater, as we see in practice and in exhibitions. In practice she is landing double axel/triple toe, 3/3 combos, skates with speed and attack. In exhibitions she can very very expressive (requiem was fantastic) and somehow has much better extensions and posture. In competition she suffers from Caroline Zhang syndrome (self-conciseness, does not "sell" the choreography). Lately she waters down her programs, and without her big jumps, there is nothing which seperates her from the pack.
    I felt that at the Olympics, but I thought her LP at Worlds was actually quite good, she seemed more expressive and faster there than she did at the Olympics and all her jumps were nice - light and springy. Her exhibition pieces really are amazing though, but I thought her LP from the 08-09 season was great for her, especially at the Worlds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hcz-...eature=related that was one of her best performances ever IMO. I think she does better with more powerful music and I know she isn't THAT expressive but her artistic improvement since 2006 has been quite miraculous if you compare her skating from back then to now, she used to seriously be just about the jumps.

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