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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    She's feisty. I like that.
    Yea. I think she's a special girl with a special personality. I liked the intensity of her skating and the fact she shows her love for the music. She's generally underrated, imo. If there were more Ashleys in figure skating, I would love this sport more.
    I especially like her facial expression at the change of edge in the spiral.
    It's cute to see her always so fierce and "over the top". She's a warrior! Go darling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKFSfan View Post
    Not to nitpick...but...Miki didn't exactly have a "meltdown" and walked off the ice. She was injured and approached the judges to be excused. I found it heartbreaking.

    But whether that situation affected Ashley has been questioned on the boards recently, and a very good point. That must have been hard at the moment for Ashley. We know how habitual skaters are, but I wonder how much time elapsed, it wasn't like Miki didn't show up and Ashley was rushed to center ice. Reminded me a bit of when Michelle had to take the ice after that streaker moment in 2005, but Michelle had years behind her so was able to refocus.
    Well, whatever defines 'meltdown'; bombing on your two opening jumps, stopping to skate and speaking to the judges in tears wasn't exactly a shining moment. If Miki hadn't shown up, Ashley would have known from the Warm-up; but this was very dramatic; Ashley was rushed to center ice as Miki left the ice (I can still Ashley and her coach stand there shocked and confused inches from where Miki, Morozov and every journalist in the building left the arena); of course she got a minute or so of on ice warm-up (the time skaters usually have when the previous skater waits for the score) but the whole arena was buzzing from shock because of the dramatic way in which Miki's season ended. The crowd was very subdued and Ashley must have been very impressed (in a bad way) by all that was going on. It's interesting because at the time she specifically stated that having to skate after Miki Ando was not the reason she skated badly (nerves and being over excited was said to be the cause). I guess now it's easier for her to say the difficulty of the situation and her age and inexperience to deal with that were the reason.

    Anyway; I think 2008 Worlds was a major disappointment for her. Hopefully next season she'll *finally* get another shot at the Worlds stage.

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    Of course, and I agree with everything you posted. I also recalled her saying the same thing at the time, but I also would hope she wouldn't blame that incident because nothing bad happened to her, she just had to get on the ice earlier than she anticipated and it had to be quite a distraction. I just felt "meltdown, left the ice" sounded much more dramatic than,"Miki had an injury that prevented her from competing and had to with draw. It was very hard to compose myself at that moment." It was a big learning experience for Ashley. Not that this is the same thing...but there have been times when I'm showing my dogs or horses that the one in front of me had to be excused for whatever reason, and I know it takes me a few seconds longer to get focus than if the one in front of me had completed the course.

    Hopefully if she makes the team next year, she has a much better time.
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    The word was out long before Miki took the ice that she had sustained an injury. It was even floating around that Morozov had asked for withdrawal papers to be turned in. Miki apparently refused and tried to skate.

    If I knew this before Miki skated it seems incomprehensible that Ashly and /or her coach did not know about it. Anyone scheduled to skate after Miki should have been prepared for her to either drop out after her warmup or to anticipate that she might not get through the whole program. And when Miki stopped she did not leave the ice immediately. She skated over to the judges, her coach, and then she did go back out to center ice to acknowledge the crowd. I felt bad for Miki and remember this pretty well.

    Not saying this could not have effected Ashley - but it is hard to believe she was not prepared for the possibilty of coming out what - 2,3, or 4 minutes sooner for her warmup?

    And contrary to "bombing" Miki showed some courage trying to skate. It was a sporting gesture to try and defend her World title and I am sure her fans and the people at the arena appreciated her effort.
    I seem to recall the crowd was not quiet at all because they were giving Miki a very nice and well deserved ovation.

    ETA: Here is a clip:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KS2TBOR1nE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    To me she tended to look sort of in rush towards the end of LP.
    Gotta beat that clock. Remember Kwan?

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    It was awful! For Miki I mean; so sad. And yes, Ashley must have been aware about the withdrawal rumours surroundnig Miki. That's why I don't think for Ashley it was a matter of lack of warm-up time or anything; but more the drama of what was happening. She lost her focus; she messed up; hopefully next Worlds she'll do better. I don't think she 'blames' Miki, if anything she blames herself. I just think she's putting it in perspective; when you've messed up something that you were totally prepared for it's a shock and it's easier if you can pinpoint something that caused it, even if it really just happened and things like that happen to all skaters; it's just something that you can only hope to improve on by experience.

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    I said well before Nats that I hope she wouldn't fall victim to wanting the victory/ticket too bad. I thought Wagner actually did very well at Nats. It's just that on those nights, Flatt and Nagasu were exceptional. And of course, any other Oly year it would have been good enough to earn that trip. Almost tragically, for her what goes around comes around- in 2008, the year we lost three spots, wasn't she the lowest-place finisher??

    I like her ambition though. Makes her stand out among a sea of umms, aahs, and "just here to have fun"ners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    I said well before Nats that I hope she wouldn't fall victim to wanting the victory/ticket too bad. I thought Wagner actually did very well at Nats. It's just that on those nights, Flatt and Nagasu were exceptional. And of course, any other Oly year it would have been good enough to earn that trip. Almost tragically, for her what goes around comes around- in 2008, the year we lost three spots, wasn't she the lowest-place finisher??

    I like her ambition though. Makes her stand out among a sea of umms, aahs, and "just here to have fun"ners.
    Yes, we like her fire and she's a very good and interesting skater. I think she's here for the long haul. I truly hope she does well.

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    I have seen Ashley skate in person several times. She is a great jumper and her spins improved so much. But she lacks of basic skating skills. I am very sorry to say this way but she does not have a good feel of ice, therefore, she has to put extra effort for footworks and I think her choreographer makes programs for her so that they will not show much of simple skating skills or edge works. Even her cross over or simple stroking is not as smooth as some other top skaters. However, her program is always with full of energy and passion which makes up for the lack of some skills. And I think she still has a great future and hopefully she will improve more. Since she does not seem to be focusing on school for now, I am sure she will get better and better. Good luck. Ashley!!

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    I think Priscilla Hill knows how to handle her. Hill is probably not everyone's coach choice, but she has a storehouse of good junior skaters (think Johnny Weir) which I expect will become forum fans. Hill also was second to Hamil in days past.

    I enjoy good skating even if there is no medal to behold. Ashley is a good skater.

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    Here is Priscilla in her Worlds debut back in 1978. She was coached at the time by Carlo Fassi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHEz5iYrGhI

    I think many of today's fans know her best for her coaching of Johnny and now Ashley but she had a nice skating career and competed for a decade at US Natls.

    From Wiki:

    "Priscilla Hill passed her eighth figure test and gold freestyle test at the age of nine, possibly the youngest person ever to do so. In 1972, at age 11, she was the youngest senior woman ever to compete at the United States Figure Skating Championships."

    She won the bronze medal at the U. S. Figure Skating Championships in 1978 and the silver in 1981. In 1975 she landed a triple loop in competition, at the Prague Skate in Czechoslovakia. She finished 9th at the 1978 World Figure Skating Championships and 7th in 1981. She missed the 1980 Olympic season due to injury and was not able to challenge for a spot on the Olympic team.
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    Thank you for the link, JF. I've never seen her skate comps before. With the exception of virtually no transitions, she was very musical and very much a contender and that Layback Spin is gorgeous. I hope we get to see Juniors this season. She has talented kids in those comps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Does anybody see a few similarities between Joannie and Ashley? Joannie always had the talent and determination but she might be considered more of a late bloomer. Perhaps Ashley, unlike many skaters who hit their peak at 18-19 is still developing.

    If Ashley were ever to put a strong SP and LP together she would become much more formidable.
    Maybe this will be her year and if she can eliminate her problems in the SP I see no reason why she can't contend or win Natls and do even better on the GP circuit.

    She sounds determined and I hope this will be a strong season for her.
    I can see that. Like Joannie, I don't think Ashley will ever be a phenom like Yuna or Mao or Michelle Kwan back in her day. But Ashley has great qualities - very watchable skater - and she shows no sign of burning out. Quite the opposite. I see no reason to underestimate her, and I would love to see her break out like Joannie did.

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    To my surprise, Wagner has been steadily developing into a rather consistent skater. If she can conquer her SP demons and stay in good health, she'll continue to be a formidable threat for the US title. But I fear if Nagasu really gets her act together, Wagner would be bridesmaid even in the best of circumstances. And the rule changes reducing penalty for URs might make it harder for Wagner to gain ground on Nagasu even on the former's best night.

    And of course, Wagner must contend with the ever so steady Flatt, which she has yet to beat at Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKFSfan View Post
    Of course, and I agree with everything you posted. I also recalled her saying the same thing at the time, but I also would hope she wouldn't blame that incident because nothing bad happened to her, she just had to get on the ice earlier than she anticipated and it had to be quite a distraction. I just felt "meltdown, left the ice" sounded much more dramatic than,"Miki had an injury that prevented her from competing and had to with draw. It was very hard to compose myself at that moment." It was a big learning experience for Ashley. Not that this is the same thing...but there have been times when I'm showing my dogs or horses that the one in front of me had to be excused for whatever reason, and I know it takes me a few seconds longer to get focus than if the one in front of me had completed the course.

    Hopefully if she makes the team next year, she has a much better time.
    Getting on the ice early or should I say forced to get on the ice earlier is worth a discussion. That lovely Canadian skater was thrushed onto the ice when Tonya Harding went to fix her shoe laces. I don't think it is that easy to skate when you don't expect to because of someone else's problems, but maybe some others can clue me in.

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