I am getting more used to CoP and think some of the rule changes will be good. Sasha, if she returns will not like the spirals being changed but I think many were getting bored by the same three positions for three seconds. That is something Chen-Lu mentioned along with the levels on spins limiting the creative options for skaters and choreographers.
They are all trying to do the samething in order to score the most points.
I will admit I think CoP has been pretty good at getting placements right. No system depending so much on human judgement and character is ever going to be perfect.
Mathman, I'm going to explore all the stuff you posted later--I'm at work now--but I wanted to thank you for putting it in here. Somehow the beauties of math (of which I'm greatly ignorant, on a very low step of the pyramid as of yet, but I love the thought of them) seem to belong in discussions of both skating and music--oh, and quilting!--and when I read about them, they blend in with the way skating marks off time and space on the ice. Good luck on your paper about Fermat!
The character in the book is Swedish, and an anti social, self-taught high school dropout who
makes a living as a hacker under the pretense of being a private investigator. She does math puzzles for fun.
The revelation she experiences does not say whether she sees a true of false solution, just that she visualizes something that makes it clear the answer is puzzling to most because it is simple rather than complex.
I will let you know what she realized after May 25.......
Good luck with your paper and maybe you will let us know where to find it after if gets published.
as far as pressure goes--yu-na didn't have as much as michelle--
yu-na had a breather why- the cop in short gave her a lot of wiggle room to mess up in the long. just look at how badly she skated at worlds and she still got 2nd
under y6'0;s i doubt if she would have had that much wiggle room
but also--it was know that they was rigging the scores for yu-na since she jumped up the seniors-her and mao was the next it skaters--so they overlook their mistakes--which they didn't do for michelle in 1998 and 2002.
they overlook tara and sarah's and even irina's . but michelle mistakes was not overlooked and given the beneift of the doubt-i wouldn't doubt if the usfsa told them to nail michelle for everly ittle mistake and over look tara's for being the next sonja heinir (white) russia wanted irina overlook and the usfsa--didn't loke michelle not having a coach in 2002 so they nailed her..
if you don't think race plays a part-see gymnastics went back over 8 years to talke away the chinese gold medal --but what about paul hamms medal, patterson medal, michael johnson--medal with steriods.
in fact chinese when it comes to isu/ioc are more nailed than anyother nationality and race. sorry but in the olympics especially at the olympics politics and race plays a part.
they thought they could get more money for tara, sarah than michelle -who is chinese american--sorry --but it does play a part.
if they take out ethics in meetings, what part do they play in sport--none in ioc /isu/ if you aren't ethical you don't know how to play fair, above board-reproach.
unfortunately figure skating is subjective to begin with-so it makes it more imperative to be above reproach. but if the sport never was-how does it get itself to be that way--when all it waants is moneyno matter the cost.
Tell us all where to show up for this double ceremony (except I don't think there's a Math Nobel...what do math smarties get, the Fields Medal? Something like that), and we'll all come by to cheer your speeches. You'll be able to tell who your skating friends are; we'll be the ones arguing about the point value of the triple axel done in combination....
Here is a favorite of mine - it's Sarah's Wheaties Box (with the General Mills press release below the box).
"Hughes entered the long program in fourth place following Tuesday's short program. She embraced the challenge, turning in the performance of a lifetime by flawlessly skating the most difficult program ever attempted in the competition's history. Her brilliant routine secured the gold medal and a place in figure skating history for the 16-year-old from Great Neck, N.Y."
I saw this listed on ebay - but it was sold - for a whopping $8.50.
I guess RD beat me to it
Well, I'd still like an answer since the math/stats geeks (fond word!) do come out on this board, how Hughes and now Tara would be scored under CoP. Well maybe the CoP students will watch these skates in their 'spare time' and give an idea. Bias and politics aside, it seems like it allows for more accountability from the judges and they continue to tweak it.
As for sheer artistry, I guess we get to watch the gala skates to see their identity or their pro careers (if there is to be much professional skating in the USA in the future). I find myself watching and wishing that the skaters I like had the place and opportunity to grow up and be their best as in the golden era. The current system and lack of funds seems to prohibit that, along with economy/decline in Television and show audiences. We will not likely see an American again like Kwan who competed and reached potential after 12 years. Times have changed, I reckon, for good.
I don't think so much about how their old programs would have been scored - I wonder more how much they would have changed for the CoP and how successful they might have been under the new system.
For starter's Sarah might not be trying 3Loops as the second jump in her 3x3 combos.
Both would have to be more concerned with edges and UR's. They would try to do the same spins as the other top skaters, the same spiral sequences, very similar steps, etc.
I think of the painting sketches that come with numbers that are color coded. You know - painting by numbers. The CoP is like "skating by numbers" and Tara and Sarah along with their coaches and choreographers would try to do things to score points under the new system. They would try to be as much like the other top skaters as possible. The judges seem to like that
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Now i m used to Cop and i was watching 2002 again, I caught myself asking how they could even put the score in 6.0, it looks like I forgot it was placements rather than marks, so I was watching this competition and wondering why 5.7 instead of 5.8. It looked me like the overall impression was marked, nothing else. And didnt get if the deduction was on spirals or jumps, a mess! That happens if you are brainwashed with points difference and then you watch 6.0 judging!
In Hughes case by the way I remember in the sp the comments like 'she is gonna get an adge call" by hamilton or the lady, and the marks didnt show it.
The most annoying thing for me is seeing how badly so many gals do those same three spiral positions that only look good on Sasha, Alisssa, Mirai and Mao. Joannie modifies hers to her flexibility and so she looks ok. Kim does not have the line, straight legs, toe point and thus she looks a little less polished. I don't know how we can stop the cloning going on. Only in the footwork do we see some individuality. Sometimes I just get so frustrated at the "packed" busy programs that are required under CoP. Guess I enjoyed more of the old 6.0 programs more.
Hey, where's Fosse on this thread.
Fosse is the president of the Golden Skate Sarah Hughes fan club. She likes Emily, too. Hasn't been around for a while.