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    In actual fact, I cannot tell the difference between one jump and another in real time,
    This, I dont believe it. You kid for sure
    and when it comes to PCSs, all I can say is, "I know what I like."
    This I believe it. It works for me also

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    But seriously...

    This is what good edges can be in spiral sequences and one-foot skating unterspersed throughout a program. This art has disappeared utterly from figure skating today.

    Michelle at fifteen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oywJebgYE_4

    Michelle at almost eighteen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS3FntkFAyU&NR=1
    Oh, Math--what beautiful skates!

    I'm so grateful to YouTube for keeping skaters of yesterday and today immortal. This is how fans of Fred Astaire must have felt when he left Broadway to come to the movies. Now everyone in the world could see him at his best for as long as celluloid lasted.

    It's so delightful to realize that Michelle had that assurance at fifteen and the maturity and mysterious quality of a Margot Fonteyn at eighteen. Generally skaters age out of the sport before they are able to develop that quality, especially these days when they have to spend so much time counting and checking off moves. But Michelle had those traits almost from the get-go, and she stayed in long enough to nurture them. So, in her different way, did Sasha. Lucky us! I'm hoping for the same growth from Mao and YuNa, who have talents just as formidable. But no one will ever erase the effect of Michelle from my mind. A lot of my enjoyment and admiration of her is subjective, of course, but a lot of it is also a recognition of her extraordinarily high quality.

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    Thanks for the two wonderful "Eden" clips mathman.

    Watching them bring back such memories. And Olympia makes a good point that YouTube is one of the best things that has happened for skating fans.

    Watching Michelle frequently takes me back to this skater and I see such similarities in their skating style.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvElljzi7rE&feature=fvw

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Thanks for the two wonderful "Eden" clips mathman.

    Watching them bring back such memories. And Olympia makes a good point that YouTube is one of the best things that has happened for skating fans.

    Watching Michelle frequently takes me back to this skater and I see such similarities in their skating style.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvElljzi7rE&feature=fvw
    Beautiful edging and she just floats across the ice. Beautiful edging gives me chills.
    You only get it every now and then and when it happens it's usually coming from the guys.

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    This skater was just ...just....just....in a class of his own.

    Has any skater before or after displayed such grace?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg3Hv...eature=related

    as a bonus here he is skating to "Carmen"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syYlS...eature=related

    He is spectacular from "the boot up" but shows such wonderful edges too.
    Truly a skater for the ages.

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    To get back on topic...I thought Sarah showed good ice coverage, speed and edging in her spiral sequences. She did have a bent free leg at times, but always had nice positions, lovely back and extension:
    outside edge http://www.ne.jp/asahi/kuro/satokon/...photo/lhug.JPG
    inside edge http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/818...E0894A014C96A7

    No doubt about it Sasha almost always received the top marks for spirals. The only time I recall her getting not the highest was when she struggled to change edge while grabbing her skate at 2005 Worlds. We never saw her try that move again. From the boot up, Sasha has great spiral positions. When you watch live, speed and edging come through much more than on TV. I remember the 1st time I saw Sasha live after hearing all the hype about how wonderful this kid's spirals/spins were, I was a bit underwhelmed. Live, her speed/edging/ice coverage are less impressive-BUT still much better than the average skater, no doubt! But compared to some of the top skaters with better skating basics, her weaknesses from the boot down are more obvious. Yu-Na's power, speed and deep edges are much more appreciated live. Her flexion/amplitude is definitely lacking, but she makes up for it in other areas. So, she would never lose a competition because she doesn't point her toes and have her knee by her ear in her spirals. A great spiral didn't make or break a skater as long as they can garner a level 4.

    Personally, I'm more impressed by overall quality of the skating, which is why programs like Michelle's "EOE" and Janets's "Afternoon of a Faun" blow me away more so than a hyper extended spiral sequence-NOT talking about Sasha, just talking in general. Sasha and Caroline have some lovely exhibitions, too, where they combine their flexibility strengths with the mood of the music, showing off gorgeous positions and makes me forget if they don't have the deepest edges or greatest speed, like:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i4RpKDYqrg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHCe9...eature=related
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    Personally, I'm more impressed by overall quality of the skating, which is why programs like Michelle's "EOE" and Janets's "Afternoon of a Faun" blow me away more so than a hyper extended spiral sequence-NOT talking about Sasha, just talking in general. Sasha and Caroline have some lovely exhibitions, too, where they combine their flexibility strengths with the mood of the music, showing off gorgeous positions and makes me forget if they don't have the deepest edges or greatest speed

    I basically agree with your whole post. I forgot about Caroline. I so hope that she will just work on her edging to help her skating skills everyday. If she digs those edges into the ice she will gain that speed. Speed will greatly enhance her scores even if she doesn't exactly have the correct tech on her lutz/flip right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKFSfan View Post
    To get back on topic...I thought Sarah showed good ice coverage, speed and edging in her spiral sequences. She did have a bent free leg at times, but always had nice positions, lovely back and extension:
    outside edge http://www.ne.jp/asahi/kuro/satokon/...photo/lhug.JPG
    inside edge http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/818...E0894A014C96A7

    No doubt about it Sasha almost always received the top marks for spirals. The only time I recall her getting not the highest was when she struggled to change edge while grabbing her skate at 2005 Worlds. We never saw her try that move again. From the boot up, Sasha has great spiral positions. When you watch live, speed and edging come through much more than on TV. I remember the 1st time I saw Sasha live after hearing all the hype about how wonderful this kid's spirals/spins were, I was a bit underwhelmed. Live, her speed/edging/ice coverage are less impressive-BUT still much better than the average skater, no doubt! But compared to some of the top skaters with better skating basics, her weaknesses from the boot down are more obvious. Yu-Na's power, speed and deep edges are much more appreciated live. Her flexion/amplitude is definitely lacking, but she makes up for it in other areas. So, she would never lose a competition because she doesn't point her toes and have her knee by her ear in her spirals. A great spiral didn't make or break a skater as long as they can garner a level 4.

    Personally, I'm more impressed by overall quality of the skating, which is why programs like Michelle's "EOE" and Janets's "Afternoon of a Faun" blow me away more so than a hyper extended spiral sequence-NOT talking about Sasha, just talking in general. Sasha and Caroline have some lovely exhibitions, too, where they combine their flexibility strengths with the mood of the music, showing off gorgeous positions and makes me forget if they don't have the deepest edges or greatest speed, like:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i4RpKDYqrg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHCe9...eature=related
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for posting the clips.
    I both of those programs - Caroline is only 14 but she shows such a beautiful and gentle quality in "Lullabye."

    Sasha's skating at 18 shows more emotional depth and her best qualities shine so brightly in that program.
    Last edited by janetfan; 05-18-2010 at 12:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    But seriously...

    This is what good edges can be in spiral sequences and one-foot skating unterspersed throughout a program. This art has disappeared utterly from figure skating today.


    Michelle at almost eighteen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS3FntkFAyU&NR=1
    In the '98 EOE, Michelle stays on one foot, backwards to forwards and around, for around 16 seconds, starting at around 2:02. That is simply amazing! And I particularly love the neat and simple three-turn at the end of the sequence. Perfection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    This skater was just ...just....just....in a class of his own.

    Has any skater before or after displayed such grace?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg3Hv...eature=related

    as a bonus here he is skating to "Carmen"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syYlS...eature=related

    He is spectacular from "the boot up" but shows such wonderful edges too.
    Truly a skater for the ages.
    Gloriosky! I had recently watched the Don Quichotte, but the Carmen is new to me. Curry really is incomparable. Thanks for unearthing that clip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Gloriosky! I had recently watched the Don Quichotte, but the Carmen is new to me. Curry really is incomparable. Thanks for unearthing that clip.
    Indeed it was special. I actually prefer it over Katarina's which seems a little over the top at times to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Gloriosky! I had recently watched the Don Quichotte, but the Carmen is new to me. Curry really is incomparable. Thanks for unearthing that clip.
    Here is another clip I enjoy - it is John Curry commenting to some young skaters about his favorite skater.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0VZyztldo
    Last edited by janetfan; 05-19-2010 at 06:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    But seriously...

    This is what good edges can be in spiral sequences and one-foot skating unterspersed throughout a program. This art has disappeared utterly from figure skating today.

    Michelle at fifteen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oywJebgYE_4

    Michelle at almost eighteen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS3FntkFAyU&NR=1
    How is this art? it's boring and slow like Caroline Zhang.

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    Why does it seem that there's always a focus on what could or would have been with the CoP? She skated brilliantly and won fair and square. Just like the ladies who won under the CoP system won fair and square. Let it rest, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonbinfan86 View Post
    How is this art? it's boring and slow like Caroline Zhang.
    The whole point of figure skating is blades on ice. Watch her blade work. This is not only art, it is now a lost art. No current skater can come close to Michelle's blade control -- most don't even know that such an art once existed.

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