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    No more Euros and 4CC before Olys!!

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    http://www.isu.org/vsite/vtrial/page...m-item,00.html

    But, it's all under discussion. It'll be GPF, Nats, Worlds, Olys.

    I like the idea but sad for the missing Euros and 4CCs.

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    So here is the proposal ....

    Urgent Proposal No. 1
    FRANCE
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    Cancel the European and Four Continents ISU Championships in an Olympic year.

    Replace them by the World ISU Championships at the same time (i.e. just before the Olympic Games).
    Reason: Olympics after Olympics, the statistics show very clearly that since 1994 the number of Olympic medalists present at the World ISU championships just after the Games is continuously decreasing.
    After both the 1998 Olympics in Nagano and the 2006 Olympics in Turin the four Olympic winners of the 4 gold medals did not compete in the ISU World Championships (in Minneapolis in 1998 and in Calgary in 2006).
    Out of the twelve Olympic medalists since 1998, at least half of them did not participate in the World Championships a month later. Therefore, revenge becomes impossible.

    The Olympic Winter Games should logically be the summit of the Olympic season and the ISU World Championships, if held just before the Games, would become the theater of a much greater enthusiasm due to the increase in top level participation.

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    What does "Therefore, revenge becomes impossible." mean??

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    That'd be sad. Back in '94 season the Euros was so exciting with Bonaly beating the reigning champ Baiul, the comebacks in the Ice Dance (and Pairs? I don't remember if M&M and G&G skated there), etc. Memory lane...

    But then again there weren't as many competitions. This proposal must be good for skaters.

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    My understanding is that the European Championship is older than the ISU. It has a very long history. I'm not sure anyone can just cross it out with the stroke of a pen.

    I also seem to remember a promise Mr. Cinquanta made about this year's Worlds. He said ( if I recall correctly ) that all the stars from the Olympics would be at Worlds.

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    It'sa federation proposal, not an ISU proposal. Its chances of passing the congress are thus greatly reduced.

    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    I also seem to remember a promise Mr. Cinquanta made about this year's Worlds. He said ( if I recall correctly ) that all the stars from the Olympics would be at Worlds.
    You had the gold and silver medalists in ladies and dance, the silver and bronze medalists from pairs, and the bronze medalist from the men's event. Most of the medalists who did not show up in Turin were officially retired or expected to retire (or injured). That's probably pretty more or less what Speedy had in mind.

    ETA: why anyone would think that skaters would be more likely to show up for Worlds right before the Olympics rather than right after is beyond me. It'll be a huge burden for skaters who don't train nearby and will probably end up being like 4CC in an Olympic year.
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    As Buttercup points out, these proposals from individual membwrs (France in this case) usually have little chance of passing. Unlike the "proposals" from the ISU's own technical committee, which almost always pass.

    I think "revenge is impossible" means that if you get beat at the Olympics and are seeking revenge at Worlds the next month, you can't get it becaise the Olympic medalists usually don't come to Worlds after the Olympics anyway. So why bother to hold Worlds? The French point seems to be, if you can't get revenge on your enemy, what's the point of having a competition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    My understanding is that the European Championship is older than the ISU. It has a very long history. I'm not sure anyone can just cross it out with the stroke of a pen.

    I also seem to remember a promise Mr. Cinquanta made about this year's Worlds. He said ( if I recall correctly ) that all the stars from the Olympics would be at Worlds.
    And majority of them didn't participate. Speedy is really powerful.

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    God! I hope the proposal doesn't pass...

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    There is merit to having the Worlds before the Olys, and getting revenge at the Olys. The problem is eliminating the Euros and 4CCs. They always appeared before the Olys so why not before the Worlds? How can that affect the Natiionals?

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    I suppose they could have worlds before the Olympics, then the Europeans and 4CC after.

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    Interesting that this is an "urgent proposal," considering that it is about what might happen in 2014.

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    I am curious~~ why is the French federation so concerned about this that they title it "urgent proposal"? I feel a Worlds before the Olympics might put too much pressure on the skaters to attend. It's more prestigious than 4CC after all. However, I do think they should keep Worlds during Olympic year, because even if the top skaters don't attend, it's always a good place for upcoming stars to make an impression with the judges.

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    4CC isn t comparable to euros... the euros have a history, and all european skaters take part in it every year inless injured...
    4CC is always later on the agenda and if my memory isn't too bad, it is not the prority for top skaters ANY competive year... some go and some don't... it besomes a problem when the top skaters don t attend in the host country!!

    worlds after the olympics should ^be kept as it does prepare the post olympic season, i agree with miki88.

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    /\ I wonder too.. I don't really mind the skipping of Euros and 4CC from the Standpoint of sparing the skaters from a gruelling season...but would that mean adjustments to the Oly qualification requirements..??

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen o'neill View Post
    I don't really mind the skipping of Euros and 4CC from the Standpoint of sparing the skaters from a gruelling season...but would that mean adjustments to the Oly qualification requirements..??
    Not necessarily. As far as the ISU is concerned the current year's Euros and 4Cs results play no part in Olympic qualification requirements. The number of slots per country have been assigned based on the previous year's Worlds results and a second-chance qualifying competition in the fall.

    In the past some national Olympic committees have used Euros results to decide whether to bother sending a skater to the Olympics or leaving a spot unfilled, or to decide which of two or three skaters to send if that country has more spots available at Euros than for the Olympics.

    If they're still going to wait until January to decide whether to send a skater to Olympics or not, they could use the January Worlds instead.

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